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Oil Creeps Deeper Into Delicate Marshes

Nor should he take any action unless specifically requested by BP and/or Transocian.

If Obama should do anything he should have the previous wells inspected.

I completely disagree...as president knowing that he had an impending disaster for the environment, for the economy, for the multiple industries...he should have moved heaven and earth to end the oil flow and then turned BP upside down and shook every penny out of their pockets to pay for it...AFTER the problem was fixed.

Instead their answer is...well...dont worry...because after its all said and done...then we'll make em pay!
 
I completely disagree...as president knowing that he had an impending disaster for the environment, for the economy, for the multiple industries...he should have moved heaven and earth to end the oil flow and then turned BP upside down and shook every penny out of their pockets to pay for it...AFTER the problem was fixed.

Instead their answer is...well...dont worry...because after its all said and done...then we'll make em pay!

What did Obama know and when did he know it!!
 
“guess what this liberal would be all about? This liberal would be all about socializing -- uh, uh, would be about basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."
~Maxine Waters

The commission will have seven members, none of whom are currently in government.

In addition to the causes of the ongoing spill, the commission will study offshore oil drilling practices in general, rig safety, government regulations, federal oversight, and environmental issues.

The commission will be asked to report back to Obama within six months.

You know the rule, 'never let a crisis go to waist', so keep an eye on the story as it unfolds.

Creating a commission to study offshore drilling qualifies as "socializing the oil industry?" I'm even more confused now
 
To blame this oil leak on the president is the epitome of stupidity. But, you gents knock yourselves out. :2wave:
Tell us what you thought about the inaction of the Bush administraion regarding hurricane Katrina.
 
My point is Obama has done nothing to the point Louisiana is now doing it themselves without any Feds help.

Riiiight. Obama and the federal government are doing NOTHING. :roll:

An Air Force Reserve C-130H aircraft conducted an aerial spraying mission this weekend to help disperse the oil, but weather prevented a second C-130H deployed to the region from spraying, Northcom spokesman John Cornelio told American Forces Press Service.

In addition, nearly 600 Louisiana National Guard troops have been called to federal active duty to support the mission, with up to 5,400 more to mobilize as needed, based on Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates’ approval of Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal’s request last week. Jindal requested as many as 6,000 National Guard troops to add security, medical support, engineers, communications capability and cleanup crews to the oil slick containment effort.

Meanwhile, the onsite incident coordinator, Coast Guard Rear Adm. Mary Landry, is reviewing similar requests from the governors of neighboring Alabama, Mississippi and Florida to mobilize their Guard forces under Title 32 authority, Lapan said.

Meanwhile, as the oil slick moves landward, the Navy has positioned equipment aimed at reducing the slick’s impact on Gulf Coast beaches and critical wetlands. The Navy dispatched 66,000 feet of inflatable oil boom with anchoring equipment, along with seven skimming systems and supporting gear to the region, along with 50 civilian contractors to operate and maintain it, reported Navy spokesman Lt. Myers Vasquez.

Workers at a staging area at Naval Air Station Pensacola, Fla., also set out booms to help protect the shoreline and eco-system in the Pensacola area from the spill, reported Navy Lt. Michael Frost, the station’s port operations officer.

Naval Air Station Pensacola is one of seven staging areas that have been set up from Louisiana to Florida to protect sensitive shorelines, Frost said. Other staging areas are in Biloxi and Pascagoula, Miss.; Venice, Port Fourchon and Port Sulphur, La.; and Theodore, Ala. --
Military Supports Federal Oil Spill Response

Of course, that's just the military. We've also got the Department of Homeland Security, the Coast Guard, the Department of the Interior, the Environmental Protection Agency, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, the Small Business Administration, the Department of Defense, the US Fish and Wildlife Service, the National Park Service, and the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health all doing "nothing."

Tell you what, since you have all the answers and insist our government is doing "nothing" about this oil spill, why don't you tell us what it should be doing. :roll:

And I'd like specific actions you want the government to take that (a) have some basis in reality and (b) aren't being done already.

Ok. Go.
 
Creating a commission to study offshore drilling qualifies as "socializing the oil industry?" I'm even more confused now

So am I, I have no idea how you got that from my post. That's not at all what I said.
 
Riiiight. Obama and the federal government are doing NOTHING. :roll:



Of course, that's just the military. We've also got the Department of Homeland Security, the Coast Guard, the Department of the Interior, the Environmental Protection Agency, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, the Small Business Administration, the Department of Defense, the US Fish and Wildlife Service, the National Park Service, and the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health all doing "nothing."

Tell you what, since you have all the answers and insist our government is doing "nothing" about this oil spill, why don't you tell us what it should be doing. :roll:

And I'd like specific actions you want the government to take that (a) have some basis in reality and (b) aren't being done already.

Ok. Go.

Leadership.
 
No one is blaming the oil rig explosion on the president. Just like only a complete idiot would blame Bush for Katrina.

no...Obama gets slammed for doing approximately Jack **** for 40 days. You only get slammed for blindly defending him.

Ok. This has been debunked here already but, you seem very eager to dive in. What proof do you have that Obama did "approximately Jack ****" for 40 days. Be specific.
 
Ok. This has been debunked here already but, you seem very eager to dive in. What proof do you have that Obama did "approximately Jack ****" for 40 days. Be specific.

Big sis today spent an hour talking about how BP has a disaster and BP has oil flowing and BP isnt doing enough and how the fed is already creating an independent team to decide how much to penalize BP because BP is letting the oil get to the shores and BP hasnt stopped the oil from reaching the marshes and BP hasnt contained anything...


umm...


Oil is still flowing. Oil is still reaching shores and choking industry. But the fed is by golly watching.

Now can you just IMAGINE what would have been the response if Bush had said Katrina was terrible and we are watching to see how bad Nagin has failed and how bad the state has failed and we are just going to wait for 40 days and then we will know who to punish for failing to provide for and protect their citizens...

or like Clinton's FEMA director had said...well..we'd like to get in there...but golly...theres sure a lot of water...but...in the next few weeks...well..then you should see a lot of action...5-6 weeks tops...

Like I said...this thread speaks volumes...about you.
 
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Big sis today spent an hour talking about how BP has a disaster and BP has oil flowing and BP isnt doing enough and how the fed is already creating an independent team to decide how much to penalize BP because BP is letting the oil get to the shores and BP hasnt stopped the oil from reaching the marshes and BP hasnt contained anything...

umm...

Oil is still flowing. Oil is still reaching shores and choking industry. But the fed is by golly watching.

Now can you just IMAGINE what would have been the response if Bush had said Katrina was terrible and we are watching to see how bad Nagin has failed and how bad the state has failed and we are just going to wait for 40 days and then we will know who to punish for failing to provide for and protect their citizens...

or like Clinton's FEMA director had said...well..we'd like to get in there...but golly...theres sure a lot of water...but...in the next few weeks...well..then you should see a lot of action...5-6 weeks tops...

Like I said...this thread speaks volumes...about you.

:blah: :blah: :blah:

I said... be specific. Show me your proof that Obama didn't do anything for 40 days.

I'll be :waiting:
 
:blah: :blah: :blah:

I said... be specific. Show me your proof that Obama didn't do anything for 40 days.

I'll be :waiting:

It is logically illogical to attempt to prove a negative. According to logic 101, it is positives that must be proved. So show me what Obama HAS done in 40 days, and you win the argument.
 
all obamites have to do is come up with exactly what he's done

instead, they demand his open eyed critics prove (LOL!) all the thousands of things he hasn't done

i'll tell you what he's done

he's EXEMPTED epa studies

he's EXPEDITED permits, against federal prescriptions

HE's been cozy with the mms for SIXTEEN MONTHS

he BORROWED booms from BRAZIL

that was on DAY FOURTEEN

he SAID his BOOT was on bp's neck

he BLAMED everyone else, he always does, par for his little pee wee golf course, hardly inspiring, hardly encouraging confidence, the opposite of presidential

NO LEADERSHIP

THE BUCK STOPS

THE BUCK STOPS WHERE OIL DESTROYS COMMUNITIES

34 days, 18 hours, 6 minutes, 31 seconds...

STOP THIS LEAK, mr president!

NOW!!!
 
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It is logically illogical to attempt to prove a negative. According to logic 101, it is positives that must be proved. So show me what Obama HAS done in 40 days, and you win the argument.

Where are these elusive "logic 101" classes? I've been shopping collages and I have yet to see this class in any course catalog.
 
It is logically illogical to attempt to prove a negative. According to logic 101, it is positives that must be proved. So show me what Obama HAS done in 40 days, and you win the argument.

Usually true. However, with all the press on this disaster, if it were true there should be proof of it... somewhere. And for someone to make such a "negative" accusation he must surely have some morsel of evidence to support his claim. Wouldn't ya think?
 
Where are these elusive "logic 101" classes? I've been shopping collages and I have yet to see this class in any course catalog.

BGSU Summer 2010

PHIL 1030 - Introduction to Logic
Description
Fall, Spring. Basic concepts of logic; how to distinguish arguments from non-arguments, premises from conclusions. Methods for evaluating arguments and how to recognize typical mistakes in reasoning. Applicable to the BG Perspective (general education) humanities and arts requirement.

http://webapp.bgsu.edu/courses/indexps.php
 
So, let me get this straight. In your world, when someone speaks is some kind of indicator as to when they started any actions? You BP lovers (Vance and rev) only embarrass yourselves when you try to deflect responsibility for this catastrophe from BP to Obama.



I'm blaming everyone. From the last 3 prez. To bp, to failed rules toow them to drill. To everyone and everything involved. You sir are making a fool of yourself with you partisan hack mouth foaming deflecting any and all non responses from your god king.


Carry on privates. :2wave:



Actually i was discharged honorably as an E6 or a technical-seargent in the USAF, 1c471.




Refering to me as a "private" especially this week is rather disrespectful of you but expected from the likes of you.
 
BGSU Summer 2010

PHIL 1030 - Introduction to Logic
Description
Fall, Spring. Basic concepts of logic; how to distinguish arguments from non-arguments, premises from conclusions. Methods for evaluating arguments and how to recognize typical mistakes in reasoning. Applicable to the BG Perspective (general education) humanities and arts requirement.

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Ahh, philosophy...I'd love to get into a class like that, it'd drive my X nuts. She already hates it when I "go into debate mode" whenever we talk about anything more serious than the weather.
 
Riiiight. Obama and the federal government are doing NOTHING. :roll:



Of course, that's just the military. We've also got the Department of Homeland Security, the Coast Guard, the Department of the Interior, the Environmental Protection Agency, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, the Small Business Administration, the Department of Defense, the US Fish and Wildlife Service, the National Park Service, and the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health all doing "nothing."

Tell you what, since you have all the answers and insist our government is doing "nothing" about this oil spill, why don't you tell us what it should be doing. :roll:

And I'd like specific actions you want the government to take that (a) have some basis in reality and (b) aren't being done already.

Ok. Go.

Why is it taking so long for the corps of engineers to approve Uncle Bobby's dredging plan? Since the government is doing such a bang up job.
 
Tell us what you thought about the inaction of the Bush administraion regarding hurricane Katrina.

You mean the inaction of the mayor and governor who ignored what the president told them.
 
Riiiight. Obama and the federal government are doing NOTHING. :roll:



Of course, that's just the military. We've also got the Department of Homeland Security, the Coast Guard, the Department of the Interior, the Environmental Protection Agency, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, the Small Business Administration, the Department of Defense, the US Fish and Wildlife Service, the National Park Service, and the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health all doing "nothing."

Tell you what, since you have all the answers and insist our government is doing "nothing" about this oil spill, why don't you tell us what it should be doing. :roll:

And I'd like specific actions you want the government to take that (a) have some basis in reality and (b) aren't being done already.

Ok. Go.

That was a month ago and now the EPA complains the chemical is to harsh. Then we have this.

BP Oil Spill: Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal Asks for More Help - ABC News


As thick oil flows into the sensitive marshes of the Louisiana coast, Gov. Bobby Jindal called on the White House and BP today to either stop the oil spill or get out of his way.
Gov. Bobby Jindal warns BP and the White House to help or get out of his way.

Jindal is still waiting for the federal government to provide millions of feet in boom and to approve an emergency permit for a state plan to dredge and build new barrier islands to keep the oil from reaching the marshes and wetlands.

Jindal is so desperate for the islands, he's said he'll build them even if it sends him to jail.

"We've been frustrated with the disjointed effort to date that has too often meant too little, too late for the oil hitting our coast," Jindal said.
 
Usually true. However, with all the press on this disaster, if it were true there should be proof of it... somewhere. And for someone to make such a "negative" accusation he must surely have some morsel of evidence to support his claim. Wouldn't ya think?

There is proof.

RealClearPolitics - Video - ABC's "World News" Reports On Oil Spill: "Anger Is Reserved For Washington"

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...half_show_on_spill_focuses_on_impatience.html


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/05/24/nbc_nightly_news_on_oil_spill_no_end_in_sight.html
 
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I'm blaming everyone. From the last 3 prez. To bp, to failed rules toow them to drill. To everyone and everything involved. You sir are making a fool of yourself with you partisan hack mouth foaming deflecting any and all non responses from your god king.

As usual, your reading comp is out of whack. I've been spreading the blame around. However, BP lovers, like you, blindly defend BP because you know the blame goes right thru Bush and Cheeney, your heroes. :roll:

Actually i was discharged honorably as an E6 or a technical-seargent in the USAF, 1c471. Refering to me as a "private" especially this week is rather disrespectful of you but expected from the likes of you.

Relax Francis! :2wave: Enough bragging already. :mrgreen:
 
As usual, your reading comp is out of whack. I've been spreading the blame around. However, BP lovers, like you, blindly defend BP because you know the blame goes right thru Bush and Cheeney, your heroes. :roll:

No the blame game goes through both state capitalists in the Federal Government and BP who have a symbiotic relationship in that $13 billion in royalties is payed to the Minerals Management Service of the Department of the Interior by the off shore drillers for the privilege to lease the offshore land claimed by the Federal Government and in return for that and campaign contributions the oil drillers are awarded legislation which grants them a $75 million liability cap. The offshore land needs to be homesteaded by the oil firms and they need to assume full liability for accidents.
 
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