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Oil Creeps Deeper Into Delicate Marshes

Goshin said:
You know what we used to call a marsh or wetland?

A SWAMP. A big stinking useless swamp.


You know what we used to do with Swamps?

DRAIN THEM, build DIKES, and then we built NEW ORLEANS.

Yeah well that didn't work out too good either. :mrgreen:

I'm sorry I just can't get too worked up about this. I've spent some time fracking around in swamps... they're intresting I guess, but they'll survive and regrow and who really cares...
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They may not be nice vacation spots, but they are important ecologically and economically. I suggest you take a look at the EPA's site on wetlands if you are unaware of their function and their value
 
Kernel Sanders said:
They may not be nice vacation spots, but they are important ecologically and economically. I suggest you take a look at the EPA's site on wetlands if you are unaware of their function and their value
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I was being satirical in an over-the-top manner. Haven't you heard? It's all the rage on DP this week...

:mrgreen:
 
Goshin said:
I was being satirical in an over-the-top manner. Haven't you heard? It's all the rage on DP this week...

:mrgreen:
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No one ever tells me what is going on...
 
Redress said:
No one ever tells me what is going on...
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Oh yes, all the best people are doing it, and all the cool kids are jumping on the hyperbole bandwagon. :cool:
 
danarhea said:
And this is just the beginning. Before this ends, much of the Gulf Coast may be completely sterilized of life.

Let's get beyond the political here. This is the beginning of a major loss of pristine wetlands. So sad. In the future, we need to make sure that we never forget what happened here, and we need to do whatever it takes to keep an incident like this from ever happening again. There is no Liberal or Conservative side here - Only America the Beautiful, and damn it, keeping it beautiful should be our number one priority. Drill? OK, but follow the damn safety rules, and make sure that those who don't never have the opportunity to drill there again. No excuses, absolutely no excuses. This is a damn disgrace.

Article is here.
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Is the coast line ajacent to Ixtoc 1 totally sterilized of life? It's not, is it?
 
ptif219 said:
How about the government helping to stop the spill first since they seem to be spectators right now
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The weak link I was referring to was... the gov't!
 
danarhea said:
And this is just the beginning. Before this ends, much of the Gulf Coast may be completely sterilized of life.

Let's get beyond the political here. This is the beginning of a major loss of pristine wetlands. So sad. In the future, we need to make sure that we never forget what happened here, and we need to do whatever it takes to keep an incident like this from ever happening again. There is no Liberal or Conservative side here - Only America the Beautiful, and damn it, keeping it beautiful should be our number one priority. Drill? OK, but follow the damn safety rules, and make sure that those who don't never have the opportunity to drill there again. No excuses, absolutely no excuses. This is a damn disgrace.

Article is here.
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Let's just be clear that new laws and regulations will not prevent this from happening again, because we're dealing with people who don't follow the law. Frighteningly, some of those who operate outside of the law are government officials in charge of inspecting the rigs and drill sites.

I'm not saying do nothing, only that nationalizing the oil industry is not the answer.

Enforcing the existing laws is the answer. If those in power are not willing to do that, then they should be replaced.
 
jallman said:
I didn't say "all cleaned up". I said it's fine now and it is. Life has gotten back to normal, the salmon and halibut are good to eat (some damned good fishing, too), and the sound is remarkably full of healthy life.

Reading is fundamental.

So no, you still have no point.
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Scientists in Alaska have discovered that lingering oil from the 1989 Exxon Valdez spill is still being ingested by wildlife more than 20 years after the disaster. The research, published in Environmental Toxicology and Chemistry, uses biomarkers to reveal long-term exposure to oil in harlequin ducks and demonstrates how the consequences of oil spills are measured in decades rather than years.
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Wildlife still exposed to Exxon Valdez oil 20 years after disaster

ADK - 2, jall - 0

Your minimizing of the Valdez, and now the Horizon leak, is one big :failpail:
 
coast guard commandant, up to his bootstraps in oil and sand while obama's birkenstocks are kept bothersomely on bp's bruised neck, said on cnn's state of the union this morning that he "would not rule out" this thing continuing to gush into august

pray
 
ADK_Forever said:
Wildlife still exposed to Exxon Valdez oil 20 years after disaster

ADK - 2, jall - 0

Your minimizing of the Valdez, and now the Horizon leak, is one big :failpail:
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Uh, no. If you had bothered to even read your own article and coupled it with the information already presented, you would realize that 1300 square miles reduced to 20 acres is a dramatic drop in the contaminated area. Further, residual oil exposure was all that the test quantified. It made no quantification of the effects of that exposure nor did it quantify any damage. Because there really isn't anymore damage.

The exposure that those few thousand ducks suffer is about the same as any animal in any moderate sized harbor or marine traffic lane.

You can be snarky and throw up your picture trolling and create your own little childish scoreboards all you want, but the facts speak for themselves. You are flat out wrong about where Valdez is today and you are only doggedly and moronically clinging to the argument because you cannot deny the fact that I am right: the gulf will get better just like Valdez has.
 
Jerry said:
it's not 100% cleaned up but it is well within tolerance for the local wildlife.
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That's basically all I've said all along despite ADK's caterwauling that it is anything but. It always amuses me how his type can zero in on one small facet of research while having no concept of just how complex and resilient ecosystems really are.
 
jallman said:
In the last year, yes. It is in Alaska in case you are geographically illiterate.

Edit: I lied. It's been two years yesterday that I was in Alaska and, specifically, Valdez.
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What is Prince William Sound? Alex.
 
danarhea said:
And this is just the beginning. Before this ends, much of the Gulf Coast may be completely sterilized of life.

Let's get beyond the political here. This is the beginning of a major loss of pristine wetlands. So sad. In the future, we need to make sure that we never forget what happened here, and we need to do whatever it takes to keep an incident like this from ever happening again. There is no Liberal or Conservative side here - Only America the Beautiful, and damn it, keeping it beautiful should be our number one priority. Drill? OK, but follow the damn safety rules, and make sure that those who don't never have the opportunity to drill there again. No excuses, absolutely no excuses. This is a damn disgrace.

Article is here.
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There are billions of barrels pumped without an instance. This was an accident and one difficult to solve it seems.

I have no doubt the areas affected will recover. Life is very resilient, sea water aggressive in nature, and the US pretty decent at cleaning up messes.

It will change peoples lives, but the area will recover ecologically.

It's an accident, a shame as most are, but not a disgrace. I have no doubt the BP folks are furiously trying to put it right. It's in their interest.

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Mickey Shane said:
What is Prince William Sound? Alex.
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It's the sound that runs east around inside the Kenai Peninsula then down around south to about Cordova. Some people say Egg Islands is part of the sound but some don't. It's pretty much blocked in by Hawkins, Hinchinbrook, and Montague Islands.
 
jallman said:
Well it pretty much ruined the economy there for about 10 years. And the people of Valdez were in a big suit with Exxon for a long time, though I think that's been settled now.

I find it so funny that people minimize the effect of Valdez just to try to magnify the effect of the Gulf spill. It was TEH HORRORZ when it happened back in '89 but now everyone is saying "oh it wasn't that bad".


Just goes to prove my point that this, too, will pass.
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It's this kind of head-in-the-sand attitude that I was responding to. YOU think it's ok to "pretty much ruin the economy" for ten years:confused: Seriously? The impact on the economy on the south, and maybe southeast, coast will probably be much worse than the Valdez created.

Who the hell is saying "oh it wasn't that bad":confused:

Your minimizing of this disaster is embarrasing.
 
ADK_Forever said:
What, you thought I made up that quote from jall?

Check out post #47.
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I know where "pretty much ruin the economy" came from, I just didn't think it was possible to misconstrue what he said that badly. Do you actually think that he said that that's OK, or are you just making things up?
 
RightinNYC said:
I know where "pretty much ruin the economy" came from,
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Then why did you ask for a link?

I just didn't think it was possible to misconstrue what he said that badly. Do you actually think that he said that that's OK, or are you just making things up?
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Yes, I think that's what he said beeeecauuuuuse that is what he said. If he meant something else, I don't see an explanation. It also jives with his attitude minimizing the negative impact of this disaster.
 
ADK_Forever said:
Then why did you ask for a link?
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To point out that he never said what you claimed.

Yes, I think that's what he said beeeecauuuuuse that is what he said. If he meant something else, I don't see an explanation. It also jives with his attitude minimizing the negative impact of this disaster.
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I'll be straightforward. You claimed that jallman said "it's ok to 'pretty much ruin the economy' for ten years." It's impossible to read what he actually said and come away concluding that that's a fair characterization. Nowhere did he even come close to saying it was okay.
 
ADK_Forever is so full of ****! It is so wonderful not having to read his garbage or filth.
 
ADK_Forever said:
It's this kind of head-in-the-sand attitude that I was responding to. YOU think it's ok to "pretty much ruin the economy" for ten years:confused:
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And this is the total lack of reading comprehension that I was responding to; I never said it was ok. I said that's what it did and I said it will get better.

Try letting what's actually being posted to you eclipse your desire to engage in a mouthfoaming rant about make believe posts.
 
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