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Oil Creeps Deeper Into Delicate Marshes

As usual, your reading comp is out of whack. I've been spreading the blame around. However, BP lovers, like you, blindly defend BP because you know the blame goes right thru Bush and Cheeney, your heroes. :roll:



I take it you choose not to read what others post. I can only tell you that I blame everyone so many times. If your to willfully obtuse to comprehend my posts, I can't stop you from making a fool of yourself with your mouth foaming hackery.




Relax Francis! :2wave: Enough bragging already. :mrgreen:



It's really too bad you reserve all your antics for up here, with your mouth writing checks you know it can't cash elsewhere. It's a shame.....
 
as usual, your reading comp is out of whack. I've been spreading the blame around. However, bp lovers, like you, blindly defend bp because you know the blame goes right thru bush and cheeney, your heroes. :roll:

Relax francis! :2wave: Enough bragging already. :mrgreen:

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I said... be specific. Show me your proof that Obama didn't do anything for 40 days.

I'll be :waiting:

yep...thats pretty much exactly the response I expect from you. Sad. Pathetic. Typical.
 
yep...thats pretty much exactly the response I expect from you. Sad. Pathetic. Typical.

I'm still waiting for your proof that Obama did nothing for 40 days.

We'll talk about sad after that.
 
I'm blaming everyone. From the last 3 prez. To bp, to failed rules toow them to drill. To everyone and everything involved. You sir are making a fool of yourself with you partisan hack mouth foaming deflecting any and all non responses from your god king.






Actually i was discharged honorably as an E6 or a technical-seargent in the USAF, 1c471.




Refering to me as a "private" especially this week is rather disrespectful of you but expected from the likes of you.

Maybe he wasn't calling you a private, since there is no such thing in the Air Force. Maybe he was just fixated on your privates. :mrgreen:
 
Maybe he wasn't calling you a private, since there is no such thing in the Air Force. Maybe he was just fixated on your privates. :mrgreen:





Of course he is.... After all I am the Greatness that is Good Reverend. Jealousy is a bitch :pimpdaddy:
 
It's nice to see the familiar!! :)
 
I'm still waiting for your proof that Obama did nothing for 40 days.

We'll talk about sad after that.



He's given permission to Jindal to build those barrier islands jindal asked for 36 days ago...


oh wait. No, no he hasn't. :roll:
 
Big sis today spent an hour talking about how BP has a disaster and BP has oil flowing and BP isnt doing enough and how the fed is already creating an independent team to decide how much to penalize BP because BP is letting the oil get to the shores and BP hasnt stopped the oil from reaching the marshes and BP hasnt contained anything...


umm...


Oil is still flowing. Oil is still reaching shores and choking industry. But the fed is by golly watching.

Now can you just IMAGINE what would have been the response if Bush had said Katrina was terrible and we are watching to see how bad Nagin has failed and how bad the state has failed and we are just going to wait for 40 days and then we will know who to punish for failing to provide for and protect their citizens...

or like Clinton's FEMA director had said...well..we'd like to get in there...but golly...theres sure a lot of water...but...in the next few weeks...well..then you should see a lot of action...5-6 weeks tops...

Like I said...this thread speaks volumes...about you.

I think I see a disconnect in the points you guys are making and the question at hand.

The difference between the BP spill and Katrina is that the federal government is/was much better prepared to take care of an incident like a massive hurricane than it is prepared to deal with a much more technical issue like a deep sea oil rig explosion.


In the case of Katrina, the federal government had the experts on hand to deal with Katrina. FEMA should of been able to put protocol in place quicker than they did to deal with the situation, at the direction of the President.

In regards to BP, BP has the experts, they are much more familiar with deep sea drilling than anyone in the Obama administration. The Obama administration's role in all of this should be to give support in any way they can based on requests from the Coast Guard, National Guard, Governors and the BP experts. Along with providing strict oversight to ensure that everything that can be done is being done (which is hard without experts.) They aren't doing enough of this in my opinion.

If anyone should take a fall for this, besides BP, it is the Interior Secretary, whom I believe wasn't pushing BP hard enough after the spill to gather correct information to give to the President to make a decision.


It's a tough situation, because you can pressure BP to meet deadlines and come up with solutions, but at the end of the day you can't push them aside due to the fact there is no other viable alternative.
 
obama's taking off those boots which he's been keeping on bp's bruised neck since day one

and he's putting on his birkenstocks

cuz he's going back ON VACATION!

Obamas' visit back home leaves Chicagoans guessing - Chicago Breaking News

maybe some whitewater rafting on the grand canyon?

Obamas take a weekend break from Washington

from day 5 to day 7, according to the WASHINGTON POST, the obamas spent a lovely respite in the carolina back country

18 holes, a little fishing fishing after nitefall, a cool hike in the blue ridge...

how idyllic

good for you, barry!

just stay away from new orleans on mardi gras
 
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obama's taking off those boots which he's been keeping on bp's bruised neck since day one

and he's putting on his birkenstocks

cuz he's going back ON VACATION!

Obamas' visit back home leaves Chicagoans guessing - Chicago Breaking News

maybe some whitewater rafting on the grand canyon?

Obamas take a weekend break from Washington

from day 5 to day 7, according to the WASHINGTON POST, the obamas spent a lovely respite in the carolina back country

18 holes, a little fishing fishing after nitefall, a cool hike in the blue ridge...

how idyllic

good for you, barry!

just stay away from new orleans on mardi gras

I'm willing to give that to the President. They deal with a world of **** we never hear about and never get a day off even on their vacation.
 
it looks bad

36 days, 11 hours, 22 minutes, 14 seconds...
 
it looks bad

36 days, 11 hours, 22 minutes, 14 seconds...

Obama's been in office a little longer than that....


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I like Obama stepping aside and letting BP go to the people who's lives their negligence ****ed up and taking heat for it.
 
I'm still waiting for your proof that Obama did nothing for 40 days.

We'll talk about sad after that.

You model it...there is no need to talk about it.

What they HAVENT done is glaringly obvious to anyone except a myopic Lewinsky type. But you keep asking that negative...thats a little like me asking you...so do you have PROOF your dad isnt still turning tricks at the Y for your lunch money?
 
I think I see a disconnect in the points you guys are making and the question at hand.

The difference between the BP spill and Katrina is that the federal government is/was much better prepared to take care of an incident like a massive hurricane than it is prepared to deal with a much more technical issue like a deep sea oil rig explosion.


In the case of Katrina, the federal government had the experts on hand to deal with Katrina. FEMA should of been able to put protocol in place quicker than they did to deal with the situation, at the direction of the President.

In regards to BP, BP has the experts, they are much more familiar with deep sea drilling than anyone in the Obama administration. The Obama administration's role in all of this should be to give support in any way they can based on requests from the Coast Guard, National Guard, Governors and the BP experts. Along with providing strict oversight to ensure that everything that can be done is being done (which is hard without experts.) They aren't doing enough of this in my opinion.

If anyone should take a fall for this, besides BP, it is the Interior Secretary, whom I believe wasn't pushing BP hard enough after the spill to gather correct information to give to the President to make a decision.


It's a tough situation, because you can pressure BP to meet deadlines and come up with solutions, but at the end of the day you can't push them aside due to the fact there is no other viable alternative.

Seriously? BP is THE only alternative? The federal government doesnt have others? So it is entirely acceptable for the government to sit back and say...welll..gee...its BPs mess...their responsiblity...what do you want US to do???

And Bush gets eviscerated because even tho FEMA was in Mississippi within 24 hours, they took all of THREE DAYS (not the 5 weeks Clintons FEMA took to respond to Floyd) to start fixing the mess left by nagin and Blanco?

Bull****. This is ALL about political ideology. A year from now people will still be excusing the governments inaction. Gibbs will still be making idiotic glib statements during press conferences. And it will somehow ALL be someone elses fault. Because man...doing that president thing is HARD...
 
Seriously? BP is THE only alternative? The federal government doesnt have others? So it is entirely acceptable for the government to sit back and say...welll..gee...its BPs mess...their responsiblity...what do you want US to do???

And Bush gets eviscerated because even tho FEMA was in Mississippi within 24 hours, they took all of THREE DAYS (not the 5 weeks Clintons FEMA took to respond to Floyd) to start fixing the mess left by nagin and Blanco?

Bull****. This is ALL about political ideology. A year from now people will still be excusing the governments inaction. Gibbs will still be making idiotic glib statements during press conferences. And it will somehow ALL be someone elses fault. Because man...doing that president thing is HARD...

Isn't the site in international water?
 
Isn't the site in international water?

Who cares? If it has an impact on OUR economy and ecology...we act. Period. We collect from BP later...hell tack on another 20% because of their inaction.

Its been 36 days. Do we need to wait 50 before we act? 100? What if BP says...sorry...international waters guys...nothing more we can do...is that acceptable?

We should have been acting in the first week. And you KNOW the democrats would have crucified Bush if it was his presidency.
 
Who cares? If it has an impact on OUR economy and ecology...we act. Period. We collect from BP later...hell tack on another 20% because of their inaction.

Its been 36 days. Do we need to wait 50 before we act? 100? What if BP says...sorry...international waters guys...nothing more we can do...is that acceptable?

We should have been acting in the first week. And you KNOW the democrats would have crucified Bush if it was his presidency.

Oh, you brought up Bush, that's original.

So what does the maritime law say about foreign nations taking over private property in international water?
 
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What they HAVENT done is glaringly obvious to anyone except a myopic Lewinsky type. But you keep asking that negative...thats a little like me asking you...so do you have PROOF your dad isnt still turning tricks at the Y for your lunch money?

So, in other words I can stop waiting for you to provide any kind of evidence to support your kool-aid-drinking accusation that Obama did, what was that?, "approximately Jack **** for 40 days" after the Horizon explosion? Ok.

Timeline of Gulf oil spill, government response
Timeline of the Gulf Coast oil spill and the response by the federal government:

Day 1 - Tuesday, April 20:
Government responds to late-night report that the offshore drilling rig Deepwater Horizon had exploded and was on fire. The rig was located 45 miles southeast of Venice, La., in the Gulf of Mexico.

Day 2 - Wednesday, April 21:
Several Coast Guard rescue helicopters and a rescue plane respond to the site, searching for 11 missing workers.
Interior Department’s No. 2 official, David Hayes, goes down to New Orleans; Minerals Management Service (MMS) and Coast Guard establish operations centers near site of explosion.
Day 3 - Thursday, April 22:

—Deepwater Horizon oil rig sinks.

—Search-and-rescue operations includes 17 missions — 12 by air and five in the water.

National Response Team is activated. Organization of 16 federal departments and agencies including the White House, Coast Guard, the departments of Defense, Homeland Security and Interior, and Environmental Protection Agency, among others.
President Barack Obama convenes an Oval Office meeting to discuss ongoing response efforts.
—Remotely Operated Vehicle (ROV) with camera goes under water, confirms no visible oil flow from the well.

—Chemical dispersants, intended to break up the oil slick, are readied.

Day 4 - Friday, April 23:

—Authorities conduct 28 search-and-rescue operations covering about 5,300 square miles. At 5 p.m., the Coast Guard suspends the search for the missing 11.

—Rig is found upside down about quarter-mile from the blowout preventer. Oil sheen is reported, no apparent leak discovered.

Homeland Security risk analysis says incident “poses a negligible risk to regional oil supply markets and will not cause significant national economic impacts.”
—White House press secretary Robert Gibbs is asked whether the incident might affect Obama’s plans to expand offshore drilling. “I don’t honestly think it opens up a whole new series of questions, because, you know, in all honesty I doubt this is the first accident that has happened and I doubt it will be the last,” Gibbs says.

Day 5 - Saturday, April 24:

—Homeland Security report on critical infrastructure says problem has “no near-term impact to regional or national crude oil or natural gas supplies.”

Oil is found leaking from the well for the first time; pressure and rate of release are unknown.
Day 6 - Sunday, April 25:

20 more vessels and 500 responders deployed.

Oil leak is estimated at 1,000 barrels a day (42,000 gallons).
—Homeland Security report says estimated discharge rate could reach 64,000 to 110,000 barrels of oil per day if were to completely blow out.

—Five missions disperse about 13,000 gallons of chemical dispersants.

—Homeland Security report: “Current NOAA (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration) oil trajectories predict no oil threat to shoreline within next 72 hours.”

Day 7 - Monday, April 26:

Interior Secretary Ken Salazar instructs MMS to physically inspect all deepwater rigs within two weeks, followed by physical inspections of all deepwater platforms.
—10 missions disperse roughly 15,000 additional gallons of dispersants, and 21,000 feet of containment boom are placed at the spill site.

Homeland Security reports that attempts to activate blowout preventer valve through ROV are ineffective due to hydraulic leak on the valve.
Interior Department begins planning for alternative interventions if the ROV valve procedure continues to be unsuccessful.
Day 8 - Tuesday, April 27:

49 response vehicles are deployed — including barges, tugs, skimmers and recovery vessels
Departments of Homeland Security and Interior announce joint investigation into spill, with investigators from MMS and Coast Guard.

Top administration officials — including Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, Salazar, White House senior adviser Valerie Jarrett and White House energy adviser Carol Browner — meet with BP’s chief executive, Tony Hayward, and other company executives.

MMS approves plan for two relief wells.

Homeland Infrastructure and Risk Analysis Center (DHS) reports, “marine ecology may be significantly more impacted than originally estimated based on more accurate (oil) release rate.” Report also says: “Release of crude oil, natural gas and diesel fuel poses a high risk of environmental contamination in the Gulf of Mexico.”
Timeline of Gulf oil spill, government response

And this is just the first week. A simple Google search, in which you actually look for the opposite of what you want to believe, can save you a lot of embarrassment.

There are other sites that contain such timelines but, this should do. You can see that as BP's lies and obfuscations were exposed, the administration's response escalated. BP was the expert on the scene here. At first, their story is going to be believed until it is found lacking.

To expect the president of the US to be on scene of every accident, before the severity is established, is fool hardy. But, that's up to you.
 
Let me know when it gets to 261 days

Again, where did you get this fact? I posted links earlier that blow that '261 days until Exxon Valdez' stat out of the water.

Also, why not stop it before it reaches that much, if capable? Why call you in 261 days? Doesn't make much sense.
 
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