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    Re: Oil Creeps Deeper Into Delicate Marshes

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I'd rather President Obama worry about Iran and bomb plots in the US. BP will take care of stopping the spill.
    That sounds like John McCain. The prez can, and must, juggle many balls at one time. It's that kind of attitude that led to this disaster. BP, and all oil, gas, coal, nuclear companies (and frankly "companies" in general!) can not be left to police themselves.
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    Re: Oil Creeps Deeper Into Delicate Marshes

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    See that's the thing...we don't know if/what he's doing because we aren't privileged to that information. We don't receive the Daily Presidential Brief, we don't have that security clearance, we truly have little if any real information to say one way or the other.

    All we know is how it appears to us, which really means nothing at all because if the President looks weak then that could just be a ploy to the enemy. We don't know the whole story. We know surprisingly little, and that's the way it should be.

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    Re: Oil Creeps Deeper Into Delicate Marshes

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    That sounds like John McCain. The prez can, and must, juggle many balls at one time. It's that kind of attitude that led to this disaster. BP, and all oil, gas, coal, nuclear companies (and frankly "companies" in general!) can not be left to police themselves.
    ....you said 'balls'...that President has to juggle balls...

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    Re: Oil Creeps Deeper Into Delicate Marshes

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    I couldn't... with a straight face.
    ADK,

    The point is that you couldn't prove it. It's virtually impossible to prove a negative.

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    Re: Oil Creeps Deeper Into Delicate Marshes

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    See that's the thing...we don't know if/what he's doing because we aren't privileged to that information. We don't receive the Daily Presidential Brief, we don't have that security clearance, we truly have little if any real information to say one way or the other.

    All we know is how it appears to us, which really means nothing at all because if the President looks weak then that could just be a ploy to the enemy. We don't know the whole story. We know surprisingly little, and that's the way it should be.
    no, my excellent friend

    when the SECTY DEFENSE says the white house has NO policy concerning perhaps the most dangerous regime on earth...

    when you with your own ears hear the president's campaign to MEET WITH THE LEADERS OF IRAN, which you always knew was impossibly preposterous...

    he had NO PLAN B

    IF OBAMA WERE ACTUALLY DOING ANYTHING OF SUBSTANCE IN THE GULF, HE'D TRUMPET IT

    hello

    don't talk to me about it (i'm beginning to bore MYSELF)

    ask A-B-C, C-B-S and N-B-C

    ask POLITICO

    ask little chrissy matthews, serpenthead, difi, nick rahall...

    the POLITICS OF SPILL is growing faster than the goo in the gulf

    it's just the way it is

    if this leak is not stopped really, really soon, it's gonna kill this president

    sorry

    more important, it's gonna kill the gulf

    and our economy cannot stand another hit of this magnitude

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    Re: Oil Creeps Deeper Into Delicate Marshes

    Quote Originally Posted by alms View Post
    ADK,

    The point is that you couldn't prove it. It's virtually impossible to prove a negative.
    Yet, that being accepted by most on this forum, VanceMack still had the audacity to make just such a negative accusation. (Note: he's not alone here spewing this ridiculous claim.) alms, I submit you're missing the forest for the trees on this. He must have had something to make him believe such a thing, ya think? Like some right wing website or cable entertainer or Repub politician? Yet, when pushed to produce the reason for his obvious anemic right wing rhetoric, VM would not produce anything. Not one Billo sound bite. Not one Beckish, tear filled rant. Nothing. That, in itself, should have been a clue to him that he was off the reservation.

    Hmmm.... Or might he have made such an unproveable claim knowing he could not be asked to prove his position? Could he be that cunning? Hmmmm....... Nah.
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    Re: Oil Creeps Deeper Into Delicate Marshes

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Yet, that being accepted by most on this forum,



    Really? Prove this. Simply stating so does not make it true.
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    Re: Oil Creeps Deeper Into Delicate Marshes

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Oh, you brought up Bush, that's original.

    So what does the maritime law say about foreign nations taking over private property in international water?
    I dont know that a hole punched in the floor of a gulf qualifies as private property...but I will say again...as long as their is raw oil dumping into the gulf you answer the question of 'ownership' AFTER you have stopped the leak and prevented the oil from reaching the shores...not 36 days...or however long it is they plan on waiting.

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    Re: Oil Creeps Deeper Into Delicate Marshes

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Yet, that being accepted by most on this forum, VanceMack still had the audacity to make just such a negative accusation. (Note: he's not alone here spewing this ridiculous claim.) alms, I submit you're missing the forest for the trees on this. He must have had something to make him believe such a thing, ya think? Like some right wing website or cable entertainer or Repub politician? Yet, when pushed to produce the reason for his obvious anemic right wing rhetoric, VM would not produce anything. Not one Billo sound bite. Not one Beckish, tear filled rant. Nothing. That, in itself, should have been a clue to him that he was off the reservation.

    Hmmm.... Or might he have made such an unproveable claim knowing he could not be asked to prove his position? Could he be that cunning? Hmmmm....... Nah.
    Like the man said in that famous movie..."yer an idiot..."

    The PROOF is that we STILL have oil gushing from a hole in the ground. The proof is the oill has now reached the shores. The PROOF is that the administration has daily attended press conferences denying its their fault and its not their job to clean it up. IF something was DONE that wouldnt be occuring...

    Ah...but you like playing stupid word games. And the really sad thing is...you think you are winning arguments. Well...far be it from me to dash your fantasies.

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    Re: Oil Creeps Deeper Into Delicate Marshes

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I think it's a big deal. I don't think there's too much to be done about it except let the experts handle it and then wait for the recovery from the impact. My whole point from page one in this thread has been that recovery will happen and there is no sense in getting in an uproar. Investigate, grow, and learn from the experience but all this quibbling over who's head to have for it isn't productive. At all.
    I completely agree. At the same time however it is important to point out weaknesses in the system and also who is incompetent in their jobs or negligent. Like you said, learn and investigate.

    It is sad when instances like this turn in to a partisan pissing contest, but then again, that is what every thread in this forum eventually devolves in to.
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