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    Re: Oil Creeps Deeper Into Delicate Marshes

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Seriously? BP is THE only alternative? The federal government doesnt have others? So it is entirely acceptable for the government to sit back and say...welll..gee...its BPs mess...their responsiblity...what do you want US to do???

    And Bush gets eviscerated because even tho FEMA was in Mississippi within 24 hours, they took all of THREE DAYS (not the 5 weeks Clintons FEMA took to respond to Floyd) to start fixing the mess left by nagin and Blanco?

    Bull****. This is ALL about political ideology. A year from now people will still be excusing the governments inaction. Gibbs will still be making idiotic glib statements during press conferences. And it will somehow ALL be someone elses fault. Because man...doing that president thing is HARD...
    Isn't the site in international water?

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    Re: Oil Creeps Deeper Into Delicate Marshes

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Isn't the site in international water?
    Who cares? If it has an impact on OUR economy and ecology...we act. Period. We collect from BP later...hell tack on another 20% because of their inaction.

    Its been 36 days. Do we need to wait 50 before we act? 100? What if BP says...sorry...international waters guys...nothing more we can do...is that acceptable?

    We should have been acting in the first week. And you KNOW the democrats would have crucified Bush if it was his presidency.

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    Re: Oil Creeps Deeper Into Delicate Marshes

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Who cares? If it has an impact on OUR economy and ecology...we act. Period. We collect from BP later...hell tack on another 20% because of their inaction.

    Its been 36 days. Do we need to wait 50 before we act? 100? What if BP says...sorry...international waters guys...nothing more we can do...is that acceptable?

    We should have been acting in the first week. And you KNOW the democrats would have crucified Bush if it was his presidency.
    Oh, you brought up Bush, that's original.

    So what does the maritime law say about foreign nations taking over private property in international water?
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    Re: Oil Creeps Deeper Into Delicate Marshes

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    What they HAVENT done is glaringly obvious to anyone except a myopic Lewinsky type. But you keep asking that negative...thats a little like me asking you...so do you have PROOF your dad isnt still turning tricks at the Y for your lunch money?
    So, in other words I can stop waiting for you to provide any kind of evidence to support your kool-aid-drinking accusation that Obama did, what was that?, "approximately Jack **** for 40 days" after the Horizon explosion? Ok.

    Timeline of Gulf oil spill, government response
    Timeline of the Gulf Coast oil spill and the response by the federal government:

    Day 1 - Tuesday, April 20:
    Government responds to late-night report that the offshore drilling rig Deepwater Horizon had exploded and was on fire. The rig was located 45 miles southeast of Venice, La., in the Gulf of Mexico.

    Day 2 - Wednesday, April 21:
    Several Coast Guard rescue helicopters and a rescue plane respond to the site, searching for 11 missing workers.
    Interior Department’s No. 2 official, David Hayes, goes down to New Orleans; Minerals Management Service (MMS) and Coast Guard establish operations centers near site of explosion.
    Day 3 - Thursday, April 22:

    —Deepwater Horizon oil rig sinks.

    —Search-and-rescue operations includes 17 missions — 12 by air and five in the water.

    National Response Team is activated. Organization of 16 federal departments and agencies including the White House, Coast Guard, the departments of Defense, Homeland Security and Interior, and Environmental Protection Agency, among others.
    President Barack Obama convenes an Oval Office meeting to discuss ongoing response efforts.
    —Remotely Operated Vehicle (ROV) with camera goes under water, confirms no visible oil flow from the well.

    —Chemical dispersants, intended to break up the oil slick, are readied.

    Day 4 - Friday, April 23:

    —Authorities conduct 28 search-and-rescue operations covering about 5,300 square miles. At 5 p.m., the Coast Guard suspends the search for the missing 11.

    —Rig is found upside down about quarter-mile from the blowout preventer. Oil sheen is reported, no apparent leak discovered.

    Homeland Security risk analysis says incident “poses a negligible risk to regional oil supply markets and will not cause significant national economic impacts.”
    —White House press secretary Robert Gibbs is asked whether the incident might affect Obama’s plans to expand offshore drilling. “I don’t honestly think it opens up a whole new series of questions, because, you know, in all honesty I doubt this is the first accident that has happened and I doubt it will be the last,” Gibbs says.

    Day 5 - Saturday, April 24:

    —Homeland Security report on critical infrastructure says problem has “no near-term impact to regional or national crude oil or natural gas supplies.”

    Oil is found leaking from the well for the first time; pressure and rate of release are unknown.
    Day 6 - Sunday, April 25:

    20 more vessels and 500 responders deployed.

    Oil leak is estimated at 1,000 barrels a day (42,000 gallons).
    —Homeland Security report says estimated discharge rate could reach 64,000 to 110,000 barrels of oil per day if were to completely blow out.

    —Five missions disperse about 13,000 gallons of chemical dispersants.

    —Homeland Security report: “Current NOAA (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration) oil trajectories predict no oil threat to shoreline within next 72 hours.”

    Day 7 - Monday, April 26:

    Interior Secretary Ken Salazar instructs MMS to physically inspect all deepwater rigs within two weeks, followed by physical inspections of all deepwater platforms.
    —10 missions disperse roughly 15,000 additional gallons of dispersants, and 21,000 feet of containment boom are placed at the spill site.

    Homeland Security reports that attempts to activate blowout preventer valve through ROV are ineffective due to hydraulic leak on the valve.
    Interior Department begins planning for alternative interventions if the ROV valve procedure continues to be unsuccessful.
    Day 8 - Tuesday, April 27:

    49 response vehicles are deployed — including barges, tugs, skimmers and recovery vessels
    Departments of Homeland Security and Interior announce joint investigation into spill, with investigators from MMS and Coast Guard.

    Top administration officials — including Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, Salazar, White House senior adviser Valerie Jarrett and White House energy adviser Carol Browner — meet with BP’s chief executive, Tony Hayward, and other company executives.

    MMS approves plan for two relief wells.

    Homeland Infrastructure and Risk Analysis Center (DHS) reports, “marine ecology may be significantly more impacted than originally estimated based on more accurate (oil) release rate.” Report also says: “Release of crude oil, natural gas and diesel fuel poses a high risk of environmental contamination in the Gulf of Mexico.”
    Timeline of Gulf oil spill, government response

    And this is just the first week. A simple Google search, in which you actually look for the opposite of what you want to believe, can save you a lot of embarrassment.

    There are other sites that contain such timelines but, this should do. You can see that as BP's lies and obfuscations were exposed, the administration's response escalated. BP was the expert on the scene here. At first, their story is going to be believed until it is found lacking.

    To expect the president of the US to be on scene of every accident, before the severity is established, is fool hardy. But, that's up to you.
    Thank You Barack Obama for Restoring Honor To The Presidency.
    President Obama will rank as one of our greatest presidents!

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    Re: Oil Creeps Deeper Into Delicate Marshes

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Let me know when it gets to 261 days
    Again, where did you get this fact? I posted links earlier that blow that '261 days until Exxon Valdez' stat out of the water.

    Also, why not stop it before it reaches that much, if capable? Why call you in 261 days? Doesn't make much sense.
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    Re: Oil Creeps Deeper Into Delicate Marshes

    Quote Originally Posted by Polynikes View Post
    Again, where did you get this fact? I posted links earlier that blow that '261 days until Exxon Valdez' stat out of the water.

    Also, why not stop it before it reaches that much, if capable? Why call you in 261 days? Doesn't make much sense.
    Because there is little to nothing I can do about it. And the stats don't change the fact that there is nothing I can do about it.

    Call me in 261 days. Seems fair as it's just as arbitrary now as all this quibbling over whether we should crucify BP or crucify Obama.

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    Re: Oil Creeps Deeper Into Delicate Marshes

    Quote Originally Posted by Polynikes View Post
    Again, where did you get this fact? I posted links earlier that blow that '261 days until Exxon Valdez' stat out of the water.

    Also, why not stop it before it reaches that much, if capable? Why call you in 261 days? Doesn't make much sense.
    You're right, BP shouldn't just sit on their hands. They should set up like some kind of think-tank and have uber-smart brainiacks dream up ways to deal with this and then start implementing various solutions.

    Oh wait....

    BP Prepares for ?Top Kill? Procedure to Contain Spill - NYTimes.com

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    Re: Oil Creeps Deeper Into Delicate Marshes

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You're right, BP shouldn't just sit on their hands. They should set up like some kind of think-tank and have uber-smart brainiacks dream up ways to deal with this and then start implementing various solutions.

    Oh wait....

    BP Prepares for ?Top Kill? Procedure to Contain Spill - NYTimes.com
    I think you are confusing my position. I don't think BP is sitting on their hands. It wouldn't make any sense for them from a business/media relations perspective for them not to deal with this as quickly and efficiently as possible.
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    Re: Oil Creeps Deeper Into Delicate Marshes

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Because there is little to nothing I can do about it. And the stats don't change the fact that there is nothing I can do about it.

    Call me in 261 days. Seems fair as it's just as arbitrary now as all this quibbling over whether we should crucify BP or crucify Obama.
    I don't understand what you are trying to say.

    I'm not attacking you, I'm just saying what does 261 days have to do with anything?

    There is little anyone outside of BP can do to contain the actual leak.

    I'm not trying to make a plea for action here or criticizing BP's position, it just seems odd like you don't think its a big deal until it reaches the size of the worst oil spill in U.S history.
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    Re: Oil Creeps Deeper Into Delicate Marshes

    Quote Originally Posted by Polynikes View Post
    I don't understand what you are trying to say.

    I'm not attacking you, I'm just saying what does 261 days have to do with anything?

    There is little anyone outside of BP can do to contain the actual leak.

    I'm not trying to make a plea for action here or criticizing BP's position, it just seems odd like you don't think its a big deal until it reaches the size of the worst oil spill in U.S history.
    I think it's a big deal. I don't think there's too much to be done about it except let the experts handle it and then wait for the recovery from the impact. My whole point from page one in this thread has been that recovery will happen and there is no sense in getting in an uproar. Investigate, grow, and learn from the experience but all this quibbling over who's head to have for it isn't productive. At all.

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