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    Re: Top Official Says Feds May Not Process Illegals Referred From Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Obama and his administration have broken their oath of office and so should no longer be in that job.

    From Day 1 friend.


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    Re: Top Official Says Feds May Not Process Illegals Referred From Arizona

    By that standard, we haven't had a legitimate president in a very long time.

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    Re: Top Official Says Feds May Not Process Illegals Referred From Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    By that standard, we haven't had a legitimate president in a very long time.

    Very true....Since at least Wilson, maybe further.


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    Re: Top Official Says Feds May Not Process Illegals Referred From Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    How can it lead to profiling?

    Nobody with actual KNOWLEDGE and UNDERSTANDING of the legal standard that is "reasonable suspicion" has been capable of explaining to me their irrational paranoia about the profiling argument.

    Do YOU understand "reasonable suspicion"???

    Do you also understand that detaining someone on reasonable suspicion does NOT equal arresting them?
    Besides the obvious instances, reasonable suspicion is still at the discretion of the LEO, hence the key word suspicion. If I, a hispanic, am walking with my white friend and neither of us has our id, which one of us has a greater chance of being detained further in Arizona. What if me and my family pack in my Cavalier to go to Wal-Mart? A car full of hispanics?? Reasonable suspicion right there. I can already hear the hateful posts of many conservatives on this thread, but Ill ask it anyway. What does an illegal immigrant look like?

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    Re: Top Official Says Feds May Not Process Illegals Referred From Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    maybe he or she is not carrying his or her paperwork as required by federal law
    It is true that federal law requires a resident to carry their paperwork, but rarely does one go to jail if they dont have it. Usually the feds just look you up in their database to confirm your a legal resident and just let you go. Will Arizona? BTW I have no problem being detained by federal immigration officers. I dont like being detained by state police officers on immigration charges, who dont have the same training and resources that federal immigration officers have.

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    Re: Top Official Says Feds May Not Process Illegals Referred From Arizona

    then tells the feds to do THEIR job

    tell MR MORTON to do HIS job

    the intent of the arizona law is transparently NOT to harrass immigrants here legally

    if a rogue cop goes after legal luis then folks like me (if i may presume) will join you in jumping the bum bailiff

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    Re: Top Official Says Feds May Not Process Illegals Referred From Arizona

    obama offers NO POLICY for this real, major problem in our border regions (and beyond)

    except cheap, petty, peevish (and self destructive) politics

    except to THROW STONES at the PEOPLE OF ARIZONA for doing HIS job for him

    it's pathetic

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    Re: Top Official Says Feds May Not Process Illegals Referred From Arizona

    the president is paralyzed by philosophy

    "immigration" to him translates as CITIZENSHIP

    unfortunately, to the rest of us the issue is all about BORDERS

    there's this fundamental disconnect

    he can't move

    (it's just like his budget, which his party is openly proclaiming it will not be producing one this year---he MUST spend, you know, it's his dna, but his party CANNOT put their signatures on a piece of paper that's printed in so much red ink)

    it is what it is

    pathetic
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    Re: Top Official Says Feds May Not Process Illegals Referred From Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    It depends on the facts and circumstances surrounding the lawful contact that the officer made with the subject.

    What you and others are failing to realize is that this isnt something police go about enforcing like speeding. Its not an 'on sight' enforceable law. Its a law that must be enforced through investigation. You receive a call to a residence in reference to a domestic disturbance. You ask the male in the partnership if you can see his ID. He doesnt speak english, doesnt have any ID to include social security card, drivers license, etc. At this point, you may suspect that this individual is in the country illegally. You attempt to obtain his name and information as best you can, more importantly his address. If he has committed a crime of domestic violence, you make an arrest for that crime and take him in for fingerprinting. Once that is done you make a check with Federal Immigration enforcement folks and find out he is not here legally. You can then have him charged with the new law.

    What your ilk is failing to realize is that looking at a hispanic person and saying, "He ain't here legally, lets gettem" isnt what this law is about.

    Unless of course, you know that, and are being intentionally obtuse to the matter.
    What if you receive a call to that residence due to a domestic disturbance, and a white guy answers the door holding a Budweiser and wearing a NASCAR t-shirt? You ask to see his ID, and he can't find it.

    Do you haul him in for suspected illegal immigration?
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