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    Who's packing ERs? Not the uninsured

    Who's packing ERs? Not the uninsured | Reuters

    One in five people in the United States visit an emergency room every year, and most of them have health insurance of some kind, according to a U.S. government survey released on Wednesday.

    The survey contradicts a common perception that emergency rooms are packed with uninsured people and illegal immigrants. It also rejects some claims that people are using the emergency department for routine care -- just 10 percent of visits were for non-urgent causes.

    "In 2007, approximately one in five persons in the U.S. population had one or more emergency department visits in a 12-month period," the report from the National Center for Health Statistics reads.

    "Among the under-65 population, the uninsured were no more likely than the insured to have had at least one emergency department visit in a 12-month period."
    This is very surprising. How is it that nobody knew this until now?
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    Re: Who's packing ERs? Not the uninsured

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    Who's packing ERs? Not the uninsured | Reuters



    This is very surprising. How is it that nobody knew this until now?
    I wouldve thought it would be obvious by now
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    Re: Who's packing ERs? Not the uninsured

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    This is very surprising. How is it that nobody knew this until now?
    Because it doesn't help the government ultimate plan of forcing us all to buy their insurance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Because it doesn't help the government ultimate plan of forcing us all to buy their insurance.
    That's an easy answer, but even if we pretend that NIH research funding is entirely political, I don't think it really holds water. The Bush Administration had no interest in creating national health insurance, but everyone knew that the Democrats did. If it had wanted to head that off at the pass, it could have just funded this study during its time in office.

    I think it's just that no one bothered to do the research until now, which is fairly troubling given its importance to our planned health care reform.
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    Re: Who's packing ERs? Not the uninsured

    I'm not so sure though. Look at what Romney did, and then this quote:

    While the content of the Act is summarized in myriad places, much more interesting is its conservative Republican origins. The Heritage Foundation's Stuart Butler, the intellectual behind urban enterprise zones, in Senate testimony in 2003 proposed a plan for universal healthcare coverage.[29] Here's one surprising portion of the testimony that sounds like it was uttered by a European socialist:

    In a civilized and rich country like the United States, it is reasonable for society to accept an obligation to ensure that all residents have affordable access to at least basic health care — much as we accept the same obligation to assure a reasonable level of housing, education and nutrition.
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    I know, it's not much evidence, but there is precedence for some favor about this idea among Republicans.

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    20% being uninsured is a lot of people and the costs have gone through the roof for all services in every hospital.

    In 1984 I spent 63 days in the UCSF Hospital in Sand Fran. and the total bill was a little over $84,000, and I almost freaked over the high cost. Thank God I had great insurance and my portion was only $100 buck.

    Last month I spent the night in a local Hospital no tests past a chest X-ray and blood tests and the bill was over $11,000.

    At that rate my 63 day stay would cost close to $700,000.

    Knowing this tells me we needed Health care reform. The problem is the Obama plan didn't address the real issues and serves to make thing worse as it also takes over the insurance industry over time and also effects so much more in a negative way.

    Obama must go and we can do it starting in Nov. even the Liberal Leftists are gong to suffer if Obama is not stopped and the damage he's already done is reversed.

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    Re: Who's packing ERs? Not the uninsured

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post

    This is very surprising. How is it that nobody knew this until now?

    It may have something to do with the way Emergency Departments have been/are being re-vamped.

    It's not really publicized but this is how it works:

    The "main" ED is where everyone goes. The triage nurse sees them. If they're emergent then they stay. If they're non-emergent they get sent upstairs or down the hall to the "other" ED.

    The "other" ED is really an Urgent Care setting.

    More and more hospitals have been and are doing this. Anyway, that's my guess for the numbers.




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    Re: Who's packing ERs? Not the uninsured

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    Who's packing ERs? Not the uninsured | Reuters



    This is very surprising. How is it that nobody knew this until now?
    Probably because before now it wasn't politically advantageous to try and lie about the problem. This "Survey" props up Obama's position...

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    What is unseen is their free medical care that has degraded and
    closed some of America’s finest emergency medical facilities, and
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    his illegal alien wife and children were never examined for
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    To ensure there will be enough resources to provide for its own legal residents Williamson County Texas has started requiring any indigent person seeking County paid for medical services to produce a valid Social Security number.

    The County’s Commissioners suspected their local government has been taken advantage of by illegals, and the statistics from the first five months of its fiscal year have proved they were right. Their investigation showed just under 23% of the 1153 indigent people it provided medical services to did not have a valid Social Security number; all but assuring they are not in America legally.

    Texas law requires counties to set aside and spend up to 8% of their general tax receipts to pay for medical care for the poor. In Williamson County’s case that amounted to $7.1 million this fiscal year which started last October 1.

    When Williamson spent $4 million (more than half its set aside for the entire year) in just six months alarm bells sounded. When the County had to grudgingly set aside another $3million at its April 27 meeting the new regulation was passed.
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    ER overload: a survey of the research available shows that uninsured illegal immigrants are an imponderable burden in our nation's hospitals, in particular emergency rooms
    ER overload: a survey of the research available shows that uninsured illegal immigrants are an imponderable burden in our nation's hospitals, in particular emergency rooms - New American, The Articles | Find Articles at CBS MoneyWatch.com


    But hey, this NEW study says all that stuff before? Poppycock! The real truth is...
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    A small demographic only represents a small portion of ER visits? I AM SHOCKED I TELL YOU!
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