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    Re: Who's packing ERs? Not the uninsured

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    From the economics literature, one would probably expect such an outcome. To put it in very simple terms, there is a desire for instant self-gratification. Hence, if that principle applies, the desire of people to receive instant care (even as in reality there is a wait, sometimes several hours in the ER) rather than seeking to schedule an appointment with their physician may be driving the phenomenon. It would be interesting to conduct exit surveys to find out why people who could readily have seen their physician (among the true non-emergency cases based on treatments that were administered in the ER) chose the emergency room.
    Do you think one of those reasons could have something to do with circumventing the wait list to see a primary physician? Oh wait, we don't have those. Wait lists are only for those 'socialist' UHC countries.

    Here's a little anecdote, that in this day of instant communication stunned me. A couple of weeks ago, my 81 year old aunt was feeling a bit poorly, so my cousin took her to an urgent care facility, but they told her they couldn't take her insurance because it was the weekend and couldn't verify it. So what do you do? Go to an ER?
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    Re: Who's packing ERs? Not the uninsured

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    20% being uninsured is a lot of people and the costs have gone through the roof for all services in every hospital.

    In 1984 I spent 63 days in the UCSF Hospital in Sand Fran. and the total bill was a little over $84,000, and I almost freaked over the high cost. Thank God I had great insurance and my portion was only $100 buck.

    Last month I spent the night in a local Hospital no tests past a chest X-ray and blood tests and the bill was over $11,000.

    At that rate my 63 day stay would cost close to $700,000.

    Knowing this tells me we needed Health care reform. The problem is the Obama plan didn't address the real issues and serves to make thing worse as it also takes over the insurance industry over time and also effects so much more in a negative way.

    Obama must go and we can do it starting in Nov. even the Liberal Leftists are gong to suffer if Obama is not stopped and the damage he's already done is reversed.
    It may tell you that we need health care reform. It tells me that we need more competition.

    Some could argue that hospitals have pretty stiff barriers of entry and borderline geographical monopolistic powers with regard to health care, but when you can create facilities that compete to the point where they can't charge one million percent over cost, the ultimate consumer benefits.

    It would also massively reverse urban sprawl, which is good. In the sticks you may have one hospital to choose from unless you want to drive an hour, but in larger cities you could choose between one of a dozen facilities.

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    Re: Who's packing ERs? Not the uninsured

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1
    Perhaps a significant copayment for non-emergency cases (based again on the medical codes utilized in the ER concerning treatments) might be needed to deter those with non-emergency conditions from going to the ER? Under such a framework, those meeting the definition of needing emergency care would be treated as usual. Those who who did not meet the criteria and who likely had no reason to believe that they were suffering from one of the conditions that would qualify would be assessed a surcharge by their insurer.
    My insurance is already set up that way, somewhat. If you are admitted to the hospital the ER co-pay is quite a bit less (don't remember the exact figures off-hand) than if you are treated by the ER and released to return home.

    But, yes, maybe an 'off-hours' premium surcharge for routine treatment. Not something like people with angina symptoms.
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    Re: Who's packing ERs? Not the uninsured

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Who's packing ERs? Not the uninsured | Reuters

    This is very surprising. How is it that nobody knew this until now?
    The survey's methodology does not take into account the ER frequent fliers who visit the ER on a regular basis, and do not have insurance. These folks make up a substantial percentage of the people served in an ER on an annual basis. It delivers a misleading conclusion. One in five Americans may very well visit an ER annually, but that statistic doesn't answer two more important questions.

    First, what percentage of Americans visit an ER more frequentlythan once? And, what is the daily count of ER "customers" and a comparison of insured versus uninsured.

    Hope that helps.
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    Re: Who's packing ERs? Not the uninsured

    fine, but er COSTS are RISING

    they NEEDED to DECLINE

    to OFFSET all the extra EXPENSE incurred elsewhere in obamacare

    ask the president

    ask the globe

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    Re: Who's packing ERs? Not the uninsured

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    You must have missed this:



    If you thought that was the case before today, then you're far more clairvoyant than I.
    Err, no, because it makes perfect sense. Having insurance does not make you more or less likely to get in a car wreck or come down with a serious illness.
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    Re: Who's packing ERs? Not the uninsured

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    One study and you're all over that aren't you?

    Forget all the past stuff, the Gov't says that's all hog wash!

    They love you, they really really love you.
    Err, you seem to have taken a few steps internally that you didn't post. What on earth are you getting at?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Who's packing ERs? Not the uninsured

    I'm more surprised by this:

    It also rejects some claims that people are using the emergency department for routine care -- just 10 percent of visits were for non-urgent causes.
    Than the rest. I'd like to know how they defined "urgent" causes, though.
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    Re: Who's packing ERs? Not the uninsured

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I'm more surprised by this:



    Than the rest. I'd like to know how they defined "urgent" causes, though.
    No ****. Because my personal experience working with an ER is WAAAAAY different.

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    Re: Who's packing ERs? Not the uninsured

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I'm more surprised by this:



    Than the rest. I'd like to know how they defined "urgent" causes, though.
    That's the thing. The only times we've been to the ER was when we were directed to go there, by my insurance. I didn't consider most of those trips particularly "urgent," they were more about my HMO playing CYA.

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