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'North Korean torpedo' sank South's navy ship - report

He has the support of the people who have the guns because they are the ones who have the food.

You obviously have very little notion of the complete control over the flow of information the government has in North Korea. Have you ever seen North Korean television? I couldn't understand a word of it, but simply the images were chilling.

I had a conversation with some people from the DPRK who crossed over illegally to get food to bring back across the Yalu to their families in and around the Sinuijiu area. The things they told me (though ethnic Korean Chinese translators in Dandong) were absolutely chilling...

I have little sympathy for those who accept living as slaves

of course we should have eradicated that disease back when it would have been rather easy
 
you aren't nearly smart enough to engage in such silly arrogance with me.

and its my opinion-as if one douchebag could hold an entire country hostage

he clearly has lots of support

North Koreans are the most opressed people in the world... ah **** it.

I don't know why I should bother trying to explain this to you. You don't give a **** anyway.
 
I have little sympathy for those who accept living as slaves

of course we should have eradicated that disease back when it would have been rather easy

They don't know any better. It isn't like they have the benefit to the exposure of Enlightenment philosophy that preceded the U.S. War for Independence in the 1770s and 1780s or anything like that.

I had a conversation with people from the DPRK in 1999 in the Chinese city of Dandong. They really don't know any better. Only the ones on the Chinese border have any inkling at all that things can be any better because they can see some economic life on the Chinese side of the river, and as I said earlier, there are DPRK citizens who risk their lives crossing the river to obtain food for their family members.
 
North Koreans are the most opressed people in the world... ah **** it.

I don't know why I should bother trying to explain this to you. You don't give a **** anyway.

He thinks everyone has the same open access of information and ideas as those of us in free countries like those in Europe, North America and the Asian islands...
 
North Koreans are the most opressed people in the world... ah **** it.

I don't know why I should bother trying to explain this to you. You don't give a **** anyway.

when you start with the silly insults you have lost

so whose fault is north korea? I say its the people who live there

not us, not South Korea,
 
He thinks everyone has the same open access of information and ideas as those of us in free countries like those in Europe, North America and the Asian islands...

wrong again

I will ask you the same question

whose fault is it for the state of North Korea?
 
when you start with the silly insults you have lost

so whose fault is north korea? I say its the people who live there

not us, not South Korea,

One of the luxuries I can afford in this life, is not having to win against you :mrgreen:

Seriously, what's the point? I know you won't agree with any facts I present, arguing with you about this is like arguing with a brick wall, you're not gonna listen to anything I say... so why bother :roll:
 
I find it awkward that people who have little understanding of history are some of the first to demand swift action in countries they simply do not understand. It's people like that which gave us the problem in Iraq and before that Somalia and Vietnam and North Korea etc. It is one thing to be good hearted in your intentions and another altogether to execute those intensions.
 
One of the luxuries I can afford in this life, is not having to win against you :mrgreen:

Seriously, what's the point? I know you won't agree with any facts I present, arguing with you about this is like arguing with a brick wall, you're not gonna listen to anything I say... so why bother :roll:

Some people just need to get out of their comfortable existance and see the rest of the world sometime to understand that the world isn't all like Peoria...
 
The former USSR and the current PRC. Without their support, the DPRK would have collapsed long ago.

Maybe true

which is why we should have elminated NK when we had the chance
 
Some people just need to get out of their comfortable existance and see the rest of the world sometime to understand that the world isn't all like Peoria...

you are making assumptions which are not based on fact
 
You are making assumptions of the world based on that kind of existance. Do you really have any idea what is going on in this part of the world?

yes, how about you?
 
yes, how about you?

If you had read my posts, you would note that I in fact DO have a lot of experience in this part of the world, given that I have lived in it most of my adult life and have BEEN to the DPRK border and actually was "technically" inside the DPRK for about an hour in 1999.

You are displaying an absolute ignorance of the forces at play in this current situation as well as historically.
 
If you had read my posts, you would note that I in fact DO have a lot of experience in this part of the world, given that I have lived in it most of my adult life and have BEEN to the DPRK border and actually was "technically" inside the DPRK for about an hour in 1999.

You are displaying an absolute ignorance of the forces at play in this current situation as well as historically.

you have no idea what other people on this board have done or what they know or what say branch of the military or intelligence services they may have been associated with.
 
you have no idea what other people on this board have done or what they know or what say branch of the military or intelligence services they may have been associated with.

Are you honestly now suggesting that you were part of an intelligence service that monitored the daily lives and thoughts of North Koreans...
 
Are you honestly now suggesting that you were part of an intelligence service that monitored the daily lives and thoughts of North Koreans...

If I had been I sure wouldn't discuss it here

:mrgreen:
 
you have no idea what other people on this board have done or what they know or what say branch of the military or intelligence services they may have been associated with.

Then why are you displaying SO MUCH ignorance over not only the sitution INSIDE the DPRK, but also the geopolitical implications of a conflict on the Korean peninsula?
 
Are you honestly now suggesting that you were part of an intelligence service that monitored the daily lives and thoughts of North Koreans...

On the other hand, I have actually TALKED to REAL, LIVE North Koreans (albeit through a translator as I speak Chinese, but not Korean).
 
This is where you underestimate the resolve of the PRC. They will NOT allow a US-supported ROK state march up to the Yalu River without a response in kind.

You have made some good points and seem quite knowledgeable about the subject.

Here's a thought.

Why not launch some kind of propaganda program agiainst the despotic north korean government?
 
You have made some good points and seem quite knowledgeable about the subject.

Here's a thought.

Why not launch some kind of propaganda program agiainst the despotic north korean government?

I live in the region, have lived in China, can read Chinese, have been to the DPRK border and talked with people from there. I can also read Japanese tolerably well. All of this helps be to have a pretty good understand of what is happening to my north (from the basis of Taiwan, where I currently reside).

I have no problem with that, though I think it falls far short of what is really needed. However, how would you propose we do that?
 
I live in the region, have lived in China, can read Chinese, have been to the DPRK border and talked with people from there. I can also read Japanese tolerably well. All of this helps be to have a pretty good understand of what is happening to my north (from the basis of Taiwan, where I currently reside).

I have no problem with that, though I think it falls far short of what is really needed. However, how would you propose we do that?

Maybe drop pamphlets from weather balloons or drones or smuggle them into the north. Maybe use something like the old "radio free europe".

Look what bush did with the propaganda of weapons of mass destruction. Shine a spotlight on the conditions there.

I will write my congressmen about it. You would really be surprised at the power of a letter to a congressman. I use a hard copy with snail mail because it seems more effective than an email.

You could start a website about it. I would spam the hell out of it for you.

In short, "shine a light" upon it.

What would you do?
 
Maybe drop pamphlets from weather balloons or drones or smuggle them into the north. Maybe use something like the old "radio free europe".

There is already U.S. radio available on shortwave in this part of the world, but such transmissions are blocked in countries like the DPRK and shortwave sets are not easy to come by. Anyone smuggling them in risks arrest. Using aircraft risks getting show down. "Weather balloons" while perhaps viable are not easy to control where they will go and generally speaking, wind patterns for much for much of the year would not cooperate from places the US would have access to release them from.

Look what bush did with the propaganda of weapons of mass destruction. Shine a spotlight on the conditions there.

But he used free media outlets that don't exist in the DPRK.

I will write my congressmen about it. You would really be surprised at the power of a letter to a congressman. I use a hard copy with snail mail because it seems more effective than an email.

This is the type of thing that would come from the executive branch of government and I don't believe the present chief executive would do things along this route.

You could start a website about it. I would spam the hell out of it for you.

And how many people in the DPRK would see it?

In short, "shine a light" upon it.

What would you do?

Most of the rest of the world already knows the situation in the DPRK and how the people there are deprived of their basic human rights. The problem is convincing their people of this knowing that it is exceptionally difficult to communicate with their people and their entire Juche ideology has the people highly brainwashed and continually bombarded with propoganda about how great their Dear Leader is and how the Koreans south of the DMZ are traitors.
 
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