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Arizona Official Threatens to Cut Off Los Angeles Power as Payback for Boycott

Caine said:
Well, I was talking more along the lines of the democrats being bad with technology and Al Gore inventing the internet.

Way to ruin a joke.
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:rofl

I know I know - too serious!
 
drz-400 said:
Arizona better be careful, LA might decide not to let any water out of Hoover dam...

This is stupid, proof that protectionism (on both sides) is bad right here.
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Hoover Dam, once known as Boulder Dam, is a concrete arch-gravity dam in the Black Canyon of the Colorado River, on the border between the U.S. states of Arizona and Nevada. Correct me, but what does CA have to do with a dam in Nevada?
 
I took his comment as just a joke.

DRZ-400 - are you being serious?

I've been to the Hoover Dam, it aint got nuthin to do with California. It sits on the stateline of Nevada/Arizona.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
I support it :shrug:

I guess if you can't just pick out the bad apples you've gotta card everyone at the door. . . too bad they won't actually make the system work, Democrats fail horribly at getting technology to be on their side.
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How is a national ID going to stop dishonest businesses from hiring illegals? Seems to me that if those dishonest enough to hire illegals either do not care they are hiring illegals or actively seeking illegals are not going to be deterred by a lack of national ID. If they made it a federal law that you had to show an national ID in order to enroll kids into school, buy groceries, get a bank account, wire money, buy money orders and so on then a national ID might stop illegals.
 
mike2810 said:
Hoover Dam, once known as Boulder Dam, is a concrete arch-gravity dam in the Black Canyon of the Colorado River, on the border between the U.S. states of Arizona and Nevada. Correct me, but what does CA have to do with a dam in Nevada?
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Do you know where 45% to 50% of the power from hoover dam goes? I can tell you it is not Nevada or Arizona.

Do you know who has the largest amount of water shares for the hoover dam? I can tell you it is not Arizona or Nevada.

I'm just kidding though, california cannot take more water than it owns, and arizona cannot take californias power.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Arizona better be careful?

Hard to be careful when your citizens are being kidnapped, murdered and raped all in the name of avoiding being thought to be racist. . . or some other state's interest in :shrug: What's LA's interest, here? Ensuring that they're forever in debt?

You'd think they'd be thankful.
Illegal Immigration sure as hell hasn't helped California out at freaking all - but they want it to continue?
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Thats not really what I was getting at. Mostly its stupid how both are threatening each other.
 
PeteEU said:
And finally.. I would wager they have a contract of some sort.. think Arizona could pay those penalties?
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What penalties can LA pursue for AZ just following the law that the LA city council enacted when they passed the boycott?
 
drz-400 said:
Do you know where 45% to 50% of the power from hoover dam goes? I can tell you it is not Nevada or Arizona.

Do you know who has the largest amount of water shares for the hoover dam? I can tell you it is not Arizona or Nevada.

I'm just kidding though, california cannot take more water than it owns, and arizona cannot take californias power.
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You are correct, sir!

Who are the principal contractors for energy?

The States of Arizona and Nevada; City of Los Angeles; Southern California Edison Co.; Metropolitan Water District of Southern California; California cities of Glendale, Burbank, Pasadena, Riverside, Azusa, Anaheim, Banning, Colton, and Vernon; and the city of Boulder City, Nevada.

How is the firm energy generated at Hoover Dam allocated?

Arizona - 18.9527 percent
Nevada - 23.3706 percent
Metropolitan Water District of Southern California - 28.5393 percent
Burbank, CA - 0.5876 percent
Glendale, CA - 1.5874 percent
Pasadena, CA - 1.3629 percent
Los Angeles, CA - 15.4229 percent
Southern California Edison Co. - 5.5377 percent
Azusa, CA - 0.1104 percent
Anaheim, CA - 1.1487 percent
Banning, CA - 0.0442 percent
Colton, CA - 0.0884 percent
Riverside, CA - 0.8615 percent
Vernon, CA - 0.6185 percent
Boulder City, NV - 1.7672 percent
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LINK
 
PeteEU said:
Its an empty threat. First off California can get its power elsewhere. Secondly this threat is a bigger threat for Arizona than California, since Arizona would loose income. And finally.. I would wager they have a contract of some sort.. think Arizona could pay those penalties?
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Sure.

LA can get it's power elsewhere.

And pay more money for it.

Remember, Los Angeles is a city that decided to safe a few buck by forcing the homeowner to repair the sidewalks. It's just going to love paying double for megawatt-hours.

And Arizona shouldn't just threaten, it should follow through. The sooner the corrupt governments of California are shut down, the sooner they'll be replaced with Americans.
 
Hmm - Following Hazlnut's post - after reading more about the Hoover Dam and how it's water distribution is allocated it is now clear that 7 states have been allocated water-usage based on the pre-Hoover Dam contract that was written up and agreed on before construction.

California depends on the surplus of other state's allocations to meet it's energy needs.

Years back, however, that came under new scrutiny because of less overall water that's available for use (it's less than calculated decades ago) and the needs of Arizona and Nevada have increased.

California has been directed by the US government to form it's own self-sufficient and state-based energy needs as well as reduce over power-consumption. They've been given a 15 year grace period in which to do so.

So, now that I know more, it seems that no one particular state has more control over the Dam and the energy that's produced. It is a shared control divided between the 7 main states that the River flows through and the US government, centering around several agreements and various measures put in place.

Hence why he had to state it this way:
I will be happy to encourage Arizona utilities to renegotiate your power agreements so Los Angeles no longer receives any power from Arizona-based generation.
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And now - I actually support Arizona's reaction. They have a point.
If LA doesn't want to be on end A then they surely can't be on end B, C or D.

Just like Berkeley California trying to boot the military recruitment offices out of it's town - they had to can it thus they forfeit all their US granted rights.

So - would his persuasion to rewrite their various contracts and agreements actually work? Maybe :shrug: But I doubt it. I get the feeling that all states would have to agree and so would the US government.
 
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hazlnut said:
You are correct, sir!



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All of which means.....?


I'm still waiting for an explanation of how this is different from the LA boycott. Or for an explanation of how Bush and Ken Lay were best friends. Or for an explanation of why it would be trivial for LA to find another power supplier, but incredibly difficult for AZ to find another power purchaser.
 
RightinNYC said:
All of which means.....?


I'm still waiting for an explanation of how this is different from the LA boycott. Or for an explanation of how Bush and Ken Lay were best friends. Or for an explanation of why it would be trivial for LA to find another power supplier, but incredibly difficult for AZ to find another power purchaser.
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It wouldn't be difficult for AZ to find a purchaser.

After reading up on how this whole deal works out - AZ needs more power. California has been ordered to reduce power-usage so the currently CA-used power surplus can be distributed to the other states that, now, need it (they didn't a long time ago - less people, etc).
 
RightinNYC said:
All of which means.....?


I'm still waiting for an explanation of how this is different from the LA boycott. Or for an explanation of how Bush and Ken Lay were best friends. Or for an explanation of why it would be trivial for LA to find another power supplier, but incredibly difficult for AZ to find another power purchaser.
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Its not, I was not trying to prove anything other than this entire situation is dumb.
 
drz-400 said:
Its not, I was not trying to prove anything other than this entire situation is dumb.
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What's dumb is that LA has a problem with AZ trying to solve a problem.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
So - would his persuasion to rewrite their various contracts and agreements actually work? Maybe :shrug: But I doubt it. I get the feeling that all states would have to agree and so would the US government.
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They could do nothing with hoover without involving the department of the interior. However, if they want to renegotiate contracts for say a supplier from arizona who owns a coal fired plant, that would be a completely different story. I doubt arizona actually owns very many of the power plants though, so it would probobly suggest to the companies not to sell power to california. I am not sure they would be up to loosing there biggest customer or not.
 
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drz-400 said:
They could do nothing with hoover without involving the department of the interior. However, if they want to renegotiate contracts for say a supplier from arizona who owns a coal fired plant, that would be a completely different story.
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yep - it's a huge jumble. the government is involved in their contracts so, really, the states just have to do what they're told.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
It wouldn't be difficult for AZ to find a purchaser.

After reading up on how this whole deal works out - AZ needs more power. California has been ordered to reduce power-usage so the currently CA-used power surplus can be distributed to the other states that, now, need it (they didn't a long time ago - less people, etc).
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Oh, they defenitly need the power, CA has no surplus. California, particuarly the SW portion is one of the fastest growing areas of the country. But then again so is arizonas SW portion. The main problem with LA is that it is one of the fastest growing areas, is the largest city in the US, and is in a desert location. That makes some ridiculous power needs in the summer. They actually have huge gas generators they turn on for "peak" power in the summer just so people can run their air conditioning. Either way, boycotting business or power between two states will not solve any problems.
 
drz-400 said:
Oh, they defenitly need the power, CA has no surplus. California, particuarly the SW portion is one of the fastest growing areas of the country. But then again so is arizonas SW portion. The main problem with LA is that it is one of the fastest growing areas, is the largest city in the US, and is in a desert location. That makes some ridiculous power needs in the summer. They actually have huge gas generators they turn on for "peak" power in the summer just so people can run their air conditioning. Either way, boycotting business or power between two states will not solve any problems.
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LA has a few water issues too..... guess where they get most of their water. :2wave:

Now guess which Arizona Corporation Commission controls the water in Arizona. :mrgreen:
 
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Crunch said:
LA has a few water issues too..... guess where they get most of their water. :2wave:

Now guess which Arizona Corporation Commission controls the water in Arizona. :mrgreen:
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Pheonix has some water issues too. Whats your point. CA has a priority on the Colorado River. Arizona has no control over that. There is a heck of a lot more to water, especially in the west than most people think.
 
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drz-400 said:
Pheonix has some water issues too. Whats your point. CA has a priority on the Colorado River. Arizona has no control over that. There is a heck of a lot more to water, especially in the west than most people think.
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So its probably a bad thing to threaten a boycott isn't it?
 
texmaster said:
So its probably a bad thing to threaten a boycott isn't it?
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Ya thats pretty much what i have been saying since my first post.

If you think Arizona should retaliate, (not saying CA is right), how would this be beneficial to them?
 
drz-400 said:
Ya thats pretty much what i have been saying since my first post.

If you think Arizona should retaliate, (not saying CA is right), how would this be beneficial to them?
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The same reason its a good idea to build weapons if your enemy is doing the same. To ensure a balance.
 
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