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    Re: Arizona Official Threatens to Cut Off Los Angeles Power as Payback for Boycott

    Hmm - Following Hazlnut's post - after reading more about the Hoover Dam and how it's water distribution is allocated it is now clear that 7 states have been allocated water-usage based on the pre-Hoover Dam contract that was written up and agreed on before construction.

    California depends on the surplus of other state's allocations to meet it's energy needs.

    Years back, however, that came under new scrutiny because of less overall water that's available for use (it's less than calculated decades ago) and the needs of Arizona and Nevada have increased.

    California has been directed by the US government to form it's own self-sufficient and state-based energy needs as well as reduce over power-consumption. They've been given a 15 year grace period in which to do so.

    So, now that I know more, it seems that no one particular state has more control over the Dam and the energy that's produced. It is a shared control divided between the 7 main states that the River flows through and the US government, centering around several agreements and various measures put in place.

    Hence why he had to state it this way:
    I will be happy to encourage Arizona utilities to renegotiate your power agreements so Los Angeles no longer receives any power from Arizona-based generation.
    And now - I actually support Arizona's reaction. They have a point.
    If LA doesn't want to be on end A then they surely can't be on end B, C or D.

    Just like Berkeley California trying to boot the military recruitment offices out of it's town - they had to can it thus they forfeit all their US granted rights.

    So - would his persuasion to rewrite their various contracts and agreements actually work? Maybe But I doubt it. I get the feeling that all states would have to agree and so would the US government.
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    Re: Arizona Official Threatens to Cut Off Los Angeles Power as Payback for Boycott

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    You are correct, sir!



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    All of which means.....?


    I'm still waiting for an explanation of how this is different from the LA boycott. Or for an explanation of how Bush and Ken Lay were best friends. Or for an explanation of why it would be trivial for LA to find another power supplier, but incredibly difficult for AZ to find another power purchaser.
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    Re: Arizona Official Threatens to Cut Off Los Angeles Power as Payback for Boycott

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    All of which means.....?


    I'm still waiting for an explanation of how this is different from the LA boycott. Or for an explanation of how Bush and Ken Lay were best friends. Or for an explanation of why it would be trivial for LA to find another power supplier, but incredibly difficult for AZ to find another power purchaser.
    It wouldn't be difficult for AZ to find a purchaser.

    After reading up on how this whole deal works out - AZ needs more power. California has been ordered to reduce power-usage so the currently CA-used power surplus can be distributed to the other states that, now, need it (they didn't a long time ago - less people, etc).
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    Re: Arizona Official Threatens to Cut Off Los Angeles Power as Payback for Boycott

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    All of which means.....?


    I'm still waiting for an explanation of how this is different from the LA boycott. Or for an explanation of how Bush and Ken Lay were best friends. Or for an explanation of why it would be trivial for LA to find another power supplier, but incredibly difficult for AZ to find another power purchaser.
    Its not, I was not trying to prove anything other than this entire situation is dumb.

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    Re: Arizona Official Threatens to Cut Off Los Angeles Power as Payback for Boycott

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    Its not, I was not trying to prove anything other than this entire situation is dumb.
    What's dumb is that LA has a problem with AZ trying to solve a problem.
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    Re: Arizona Official Threatens to Cut Off Los Angeles Power as Payback for Boycott

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    What's dumb is that LA has a problem with AZ trying to solve a problem.
    They are entitled to their opinion, but not to boycott arizona.

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    Re: Arizona Official Threatens to Cut Off Los Angeles Power as Payback for Boycott

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    They are entitled to their opinion, but not to boycott arizona.
    Exactly.

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    Re: Arizona Official Threatens to Cut Off Los Angeles Power as Payback for Boycott

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    So - would his persuasion to rewrite their various contracts and agreements actually work? Maybe But I doubt it. I get the feeling that all states would have to agree and so would the US government.
    They could do nothing with hoover without involving the department of the interior. However, if they want to renegotiate contracts for say a supplier from arizona who owns a coal fired plant, that would be a completely different story. I doubt arizona actually owns very many of the power plants though, so it would probobly suggest to the companies not to sell power to california. I am not sure they would be up to loosing there biggest customer or not.
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    Re: Arizona Official Threatens to Cut Off Los Angeles Power as Payback for Boycott

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    They could do nothing with hoover without involving the department of the interior. However, if they want to renegotiate contracts for say a supplier from arizona who owns a coal fired plant, that would be a completely different story.
    yep - it's a huge jumble. the government is involved in their contracts so, really, the states just have to do what they're told.
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    Re: Arizona Official Threatens to Cut Off Los Angeles Power as Payback for Boycott

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    It wouldn't be difficult for AZ to find a purchaser.

    After reading up on how this whole deal works out - AZ needs more power. California has been ordered to reduce power-usage so the currently CA-used power surplus can be distributed to the other states that, now, need it (they didn't a long time ago - less people, etc).
    Oh, they defenitly need the power, CA has no surplus. California, particuarly the SW portion is one of the fastest growing areas of the country. But then again so is arizonas SW portion. The main problem with LA is that it is one of the fastest growing areas, is the largest city in the US, and is in a desert location. That makes some ridiculous power needs in the summer. They actually have huge gas generators they turn on for "peak" power in the summer just so people can run their air conditioning. Either way, boycotting business or power between two states will not solve any problems.

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