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Mark Critz Defeats Tim Burns in Pennsylvania Special Election for Murtha's Seat

Erod said:
So a guy wins who has nothing in common with your beliefs or Obama's, and you're happy about it?

This guy will vote to defund Obama's healthcare. He will vote against pretty much all of Obama's initiatives. Congrats.
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um, similar things can be said about Brown in MA, as he is not a Conservative. Brown will Conservative on some issues and break ranks on others. Seems to me it is appropriate for the dems to feel about Critz the same exuberance as Reps felt/feel about Brown.

That all said, the significance of this race was it was a bit of a bellweather about the strength of the Republican offering in November vs. the strength of the Washington outsider offering. The sample of 1 indicates that people want outsiders rather than want Republicans.... which bodes well to Joe Sestek.
 
danarhea said:
Actually, I thought the Republican had a great chance to take the seat, given that Critz would not wield anywhere near the power that Murtha did, being the head of the Armed Services Committee, which he used to bring a crapload of pork to Pennsylvania.

However, I wouldn't read the tea leaves and say that this is good for Democrats. This was just another race, and there will be many more of them come November. My take on it is that neither candidate was part of the establishment, which really leveled the playing field in a year in which establishment candidates are despised.

Article is here.
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This is bad because again another Democrat who cannot be trusted ran to the right on issues and won and the people were dumb enough to believe it.

You'd have thought after the health care bill people would stop pretending enough conservatives democrats actually exist.
 
j-mac said:
No, he is being a putz because he thinks that by being snarky, and bringing that in will silence my further posting. It is all too typical today of libs that think in these juvenile standards involving debate.


j-mac
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No, I am being a putz as I just demand intellectual honesty and consistency. If you considered those elections significant then don't tell me this one is insignificant. If you thought those were insignificant, then your point here has more credence.

It seems you have admitted the intellectual dishonesty that I was potentially calling you on, but showed considerable honesty in doing so. I thank you for that.

As to my opinion, for the record, I will tell you the stand-alone state house elections are insignificant bellweather's as they have little to nothing to do with sitting president or the federal agenda. In interim federal election, however, is very significant, as was the Brown victory in MA.

Interim house races have some national significance when Repubs or Dems win in otherwise safe districts. They are somewhat bellweathers on the coming election in November. The significance of a Rep win here would be that Dems would probably be hanging on for dear life come November and would likely lose the house. The significance of the Dem win yesterday is that Dems, while they will lose significant seats in November, they are in position to defend against a change of control. Of course, this could have been a different election with different significance had an incumbent been running. The key here is a democrat outsider can win a conservative democratic seat.
 
obama insults people a lot

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Breitbart.tv ‘Do What They’re Told’: Obama Takes Swipe at Republicans During NYC Fundraiser

of course, his petty put downs are only part of the explanation for why all the people he picks get pulverized

and, if you prefer triumph, you must OPPOSE his pet projects

as proven in the primaries
 
Groucho said:
(Sigh) Someone find the thread on this, I don't want to just rehash the same argument.
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now, why would anyone listen to the findings of an independent university study when they can just READ A THREAD?!

LOL!

polling is EMPIRICAL

the RESULTS are IN
 
texmaster said:
You'd have thought after the health care bill people would stop pretending enough conservatives democrats actually exist.
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The Dem's had a huge majority in congress and the presidency during the healthcare debate. The result? No public option, no single payer. They got the plan that republicans like Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney have been supportive of, individual mandate.

If republicans would have passed an individual mandate, conservatives would be praising it because it teaches people to be independant and take care of themselves.

If all the dem's were liberal socialists then we'd have all the hospitals government owned and everyone on Medicare. :roll:
 
roughdraft274 said:
The Dem's had a huge majority in congress and the presidency during the healthcare debate. The result? No public option, no single payer. They got the plan that republicans like Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney have been supportive of, individual mandate.

If republicans would have passed an individual mandate, conservatives would be praising it because it teaches people to be independant and take care of themselves.

If all the dem's were liberal socialists then we'd have all the hospitals government owned and everyone on Medicare. :roll:
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Just hang around long enough, and that will be the case....


[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=df59wRiU2xw"]YouTube- Harkin on health bill - only the beginning[/nomedia]


Not the end, but rather the beginning eh?


j-mac
 
roughdraft274 said:
Maybe one day we will have a public option or single payer.

But as of right now we don't.

That's because not all democrats are as liberal as conservatives make them out to be. plain and simple.
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No, that is because the people would have revolted. demo's wet dream of total control of every aspect of life in this country will never be the case without a fight.


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
No, that is because the people would have revolted. demo's wet dream of total control of every aspect of life in this country will never be the case without a fight.


j-mac
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Really? You think that including a public option, or even a medicare buy in, both of which are popular options amongst the general public, would have caused revolts?
 
Conservative said:
Hey, Dude, how is that hope and change working out for you? 15 million unemployed Americans, 1.2 million more discouraged workers, 3 trillion dollars added to the debt in less than 2 years, Taxpayer ownership of GM/Chrysler and your tag line is restoring values? LOL, now that is funny unless your values come directly from the Soviet Union or other Marxist countries. That utopian European model is on fire but that is what you want here. Keep spinning and go down in flames.

What is it about liberal arrogance that believes govt. is the answer if only you throw enough taxpayer money at the problem?

This says it all

Power Line - America Rising
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Yeah, judge a President who hasn't even served two years. That just shows how smart you are. :confused:
 
pro-bipartisan said:
Yeah, judge a President who hasn't even served two years. That just shows how smart you are. :confused:
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The results speak for themselves except in the liberal world where rhetoric trumps actual results. When are you going to hold Obama to the same standards you held Bush? Seems you and others don't understand our govt. and how it works. Democrats have controlled the Congress since January 2007 and the results are there for all to see, 15 million unemployed Americans, 1.2 million additional discouraged workers, 3 trillion added to the debt in two years, a stimulus plan jammed down our throats that was supposed to cost 842 billion but is now over a trillion and was supposed to cap unemployment at 8%, take over of GM/Chrysler, a sharp expansion of govt. and attempts to do the same with healthcare?

My question to you is when are you going to judge "your" President based upon the promises he made and the failures he has created?
 
Conservative said:
The results speak for themselves except in the liberal world where rhetoric trumps actual results. When are you going to hold Obama to the same standards you held Bush? Seems you and others don't understand our govt. and how it works. Democrats have controlled the Congress since January 2007 and the results are there for all to see, 15 million unemployed Americans, 1.2 million additional discouraged workers, 3 trillion added to the debt in two years, a stimulus plan jammed down our throats that was supposed to cost 842 billion but is now over a trillion and was supposed to cap unemployment at 8%, take over of GM/Chrysler, a sharp expansion of govt. and attempts to do the same with healthcare?

My question to you is when are you going to judge "your" President based upon the promises he made and the failures he has created?
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Results?! The man hasn't even completed half of his Presidency, you are clearly showing your ignorance if you think you can judge a President off of less than 2 years. I would wait a decade personally, but judging after less than half of his term is just pure stupidity. I also don't understand why you don't have to be so partisan, why is Obama "my" President? I thought he was President of the United States, not just President for me. And you can't complain about the stimulus when a lot of the money hasn't even been spent. Also, don't complain about jobs when hundreds of thousands of jobs have been created in the past few months. When the unemployment rate is still at 10% in a year then you can start spewing all your partisan hackery. And why would I hold Obama to the same standards as Bush when they both entered office in completely different situations?
 
roughdraft274 said:
Really? You think that including a public option, or even a medicare buy in, both of which are popular options amongst the general public, would have caused revolts?
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I've found one of the core characteristics of some on the right is an inability to realize that not everyone thinks the same way they do, and to assume that their view is the majority view.
 
pro-bipartisan said:
Results?! The man hasn't even completed half of his Presidency, you are clearly showing your ignorance if you think you can judge a President off of less than 2 years. I would wait a decade personally, but judging after less than half of his term is just pure stupidity. I also don't understand why you don't have to be so partisan, why is Obama "my" President? I thought he was President of the United States, not just President for me. And you can't complain about the stimulus when a lot of the money hasn't even been spent. Also, don't complain about jobs when hundreds of thousands of jobs have been created in the past few months. When the unemployment rate is still at 10% in a year then you can start spewing all your partisan hackery. And why would I hold Obama to the same standards as Bush when they both entered office in completely different situations?
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What a typical bunch of cr*p as there never are any consequences for liberal failure. Obama has a totally partisan Congress that has been in power for almost four years so if not now, when? He can get anything he wants passed and that is what he has done. You ignore what he does and don't seem to have a clue how our govt. works.

I put "your" President in quotes because I didn't vote for him but he is my President because of the office he holds. I have no use for someone like Obama who never held a real job, never once has talked about the greatness of America, does nothing to promote the private sector but instead believes in the power of the govt.

Obama and liberals love having people like you who will always be dependent on liberalism for your own existence. What a joke!
 
Conservative said:
What a typical bunch of cr*p as there never are any consequences for liberal failure. Obama has a totally partisan Congress that has been in power for almost four years so if not now, when? He can get anything he wants passed and that is what he has done. You ignore what he does and don't seem to have a clue how our govt. works.

I put "your" President in quotes because I didn't vote for him but he is my President because of the office he holds. I have no use for someone like Obama who never held a real job, never once has talked about the greatness of America, does nothing to promote the private sector but instead believes in the power of the govt.

Obama and liberals love having people like you who will always be dependent on liberalism for your own existence. What a joke!
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Oh, more partisan stuff, what a surprise. I also don't understand how he gets nothing passed. What bills haven't been passed by Congress that Obama supported. I don't ignore what he does you are just making irrelevant comments to try to support your awful arguement. If you think you can see the lasting effects of what Obama has done in less than 2 years, then you are just blinded by your partisanship. I also don't understand how being a Senator who law professor isn't a real job but just keep stating irrelevant and baseless statements to hurt your arguement, I'm waiting.
 
pro-bipartisan said:
Oh, more partisan stuff, what a surprise. I also don't understand how he gets nothing passed. What bills haven't been passed by Congress that Obama supported. I don't ignore what he does you are just making irrelevant comments to try to support your awful arguement. If you think you can see the lasting effects of what Obama has done in less than 2 years, then you are just blinded by your partisanship. I also don't understand how being a Senator who law professor isn't a real job but just keep stating irrelevant and baseless statements to hurt your arguement, I'm waiting.
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Healthcare bill, stimulus bill, take over of GM/Chrysler, nationalizing student loans. Now he wants cap and tax, amnesty for illegals, and home ownership for all.

What exactly do you expect from Obama if not results? Are these the results that make you proud of your choice?
 
Conservative said:
Healthcare bill, stimulus bill, take over of GM/Chrysler, nationalizing student loans. Now he wants cap and tax, amnesty for illegals, and home ownership for all.

What exactly do you expect from Obama if not results? Are these the results that make you proud of your choice?
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Haha see you just keep acting partisan. I didn't even vote for Obama. The stimulus bill and the healthcare bill were passed so how does nothing get passed?
 
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pro-bipartisan said:
Haha see you just keep acting partisan. I didn't even vote for Obama dumbass. The stimulus bill and the healthcare bill were passed so how does nothing get passed?
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dumbass? LOL, that should be directed to the Obama supporter or to those that "want to give him a chance" still after being in office for 1 1/2 years with a partisan Democrat controlled Congress that gave him a blank check. The results of that blank check are what you are ignoring.

Obama is destroying the very foundation upon which this country was built, free enterprise and capitalism. our founders promoted a limited Federal Govt. not what Obama is creating and what many are supporting. When has Obama ever promoted individual wealth creation? When has Obama ever talked about the greatness of America and the sacrifice Americans have made for the world?

Barack Obama is an empty suit, every bit as bad as I predicted when he got the nomination. It wasn't difficult to do either as all one had to do is look at his resume.

If you didn't vote for obama, good for you. Tell me what a good time frame is for holding him accountable for results? Based upon what he signed don't you think that the trillions spent should have generated better results?
 
what bills haven't been passed by congress that obama supports?

LOL!

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when are you gonna see that my side is not SPINNING?

we OWN the LINKS for a REASON---all the NEWS is BAD cuz the PREZ is a PUTZ

not SPIN, but sad, sad, TRUTH

sorry

so what IS getting done in congress these days?

the POTTY PARITY act

and ms markey's resolution for BEER WEEK

in TIMES LIKE THESE

ie, it's THAT bad

leadership has decided not even to PROPOSE a BUDGET this year

party on, progressives

rapidly o'er that presidential precipice

congrats to admiral sestak and mr critz from PA12, newest additions to the PARTY OF NO
 
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Conservative said:
dumbass? LOL, that should be directed to the Obama supporter or to those that "want to give him a chance" still after being in office for 1 1/2 years with a partisan Democrat controlled Congress that gave him a blank check. The results of that blank check are what you are ignoring.

Obama is destroying the very foundation upon which this country was built, free enterprise and capitalism. our founders promoted a limited Federal Govt. not what Obama is creating and what many are supporting. When has Obama ever promoted individual wealth creation? When has Obama ever talked about the greatness of America and the sacrifice Americans have made for the world?

Barack Obama is an empty suit, every bit as bad as I predicted when he got the nomination. It wasn't difficult to do either as all one had to do is look at his resume.

If you didn't vote for obama, good for you. Tell me what a good time frame is for holding him accountable for results? Based upon what he signed don't you think that the trillions spent should have generated better results?
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A good time frame for me is at least five years removed from his Presidency, not in the middle of it. Also, the founders realized limited government wouldn't work after Shays' Rebellion and the failure of the Articles of Confederation. And Obama has talked about the greatness of America but you rarely watch him speak so you wouldn't know.
 
pro-bipartisan said:
A good time frame for me is at least five years removed from his Presidency, not in the middle of it. Also, the founders realized limited government wouldn't work after Shays' Rebellion and the failure of the Articles of Confederation. And Obama has talked about the greatness of America but you rarely watch him speak so you wouldn't know.
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So that hope and change message is supposed to take 5 years after he leaves office? Are you really this naive? I really am tired of talking to kids out of touch with reality.

Take a civics and economics class then get back on the thread but stop embarrassing yourself.
 
Conservative said:
So that hope and change message is supposed to take 5 years after he leaves office? Are you really this naive? I really am tired of talking to kids out of touch with reality.

Take a civics and economics class then get back on the thread but stop embarrassing yourself.
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Naive? You are the one who wants to judge the effects of Obama's Presidency when they haven't even happened yet! You keep making random and irrelevant statements. And yes, the stimulus will still be affecting America after today, that's why you can't judge his Presidency yet.
 
mr critz is apparently judging the presidency

and the WINNER in pa12 keeps saying NO
 
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