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    Re: Mark Critz Defeats Tim Burns in Pennsylvania Special Election for Murtha's Seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Of course you believe it is part of the general welfare because as a liberal you know what is best for everyone else. Trouble is most liberals cannot even take care of themselves. The Constitutions says PROMOTE, NOT PROVIDE for Domestic Welfare. Maybe you ought to learn the definition of both words.

    Read the bill and then get back to me. You can Google the claim and then come back and apologize. I am not going to waste any further time with kids who are out of their element and are intellectually challenged. Obama has sold you a bill of goods and from what I can see you are going to be dependent on liberalism for a long, long time.
    No it says Provide... You are just showing how uninformed you are. You make personal attacks in hoping to help your arguement, but it doesn't at all. Maybe you should read the constitution, it says provide.

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    Re: Mark Critz Defeats Tim Burns in Pennsylvania Special Election for Murtha's Seat

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    No I haven't read every page, have you? When you quote from the bill where the government forces people to buy insurance, I will say how it is constitutional. You know what, I know you won't do that but I'll just tell you what I'm going to say right now. Section 8 of the constitution says Congress has the ability to provide for the general welfare for the United States. And I consider healthcare part of the general welfare. The necessary and proper clause also reinforces it.
    LOL-so if congress declares something part of the general welfare that alone makes it constitutional

    they did with the Brady bill mandate

    they did with guns near schools

    both struck down on tenth amendment grounds

    guess what-nothing screams "I HAVE NO CLUE ABOUT CONSTITUTIONAL SCHOLARSHIP LOUDER" than saying the "general welfare clause is a carte blanche for congressional action



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    Re: Mark Critz Defeats Tim Burns in Pennsylvania Special Election for Murtha's Seat

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    LOL-so if congress declares something part of the general welfare that alone makes it constitutional

    they did with the Brady bill mandate

    they did with guns near schools

    both struck down on tenth amendment grounds

    guess what-nothing screams "I HAVE NO CLUE ABOUT CONSTITUTIONAL SCHOLARSHIP LOUDER" than saying the "general welfare clause is a carte blanche for congressional action
    Yes, I don't like it, but that's the way it is. Don't blame me, I didn't write the constitution.
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    Re: Mark Critz Defeats Tim Burns in Pennsylvania Special Election for Murtha's Seat

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    Yes, I don't like it, but that's the way it is. Don't blame me, I didn't write the constitution.
    and no serious legal scholar buys into your interpretation. Why did the USSC strike down laws based on the tenth amendment when congress obviously believed they were for the general welfare.

    the founders never intended that as an empowerment clause

    its a myth that the FDR administration created to pass laws that congress did not have the proper power to enact.



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    Re: Mark Critz Defeats Tim Burns in Pennsylvania Special Election for Murtha's Seat

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    and no serious legal scholar buys into your interpretation. Why did the USSC strike down laws based on the tenth amendment when congress obviously believed they were for the general welfare.

    the founders never intended that as an empowerment clause

    its a myth that the FDR administration created to pass laws that congress did not have the proper power to enact.
    Just because they didn't intend it to be used as it doesn't mean it isn't plausible. I mean they wrote the 2nd amendment but they didn't intend people to be walking around with machine guns. Also, if healthcare isn't for the general welfare what is?

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    Re: Mark Critz Defeats Tim Burns in Pennsylvania Special Election for Murtha's Seat

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    Just because they didn't intend it to be used as it doesn't mean it isn't plausible. I mean they wrote the 2nd amendment but they didn't intend people to be walking around with machine guns. Also, if healthcare isn't for the general welfare what is?
    edify me as to what law school you teach for. Machine guns didn't exist back then but then again neither did computers or telephones so you have no first amendment rights concerning stuff you say on a chat board or a phone

    Amuse me as to what you think the second amendment says? Individual possession of the standard infantry weapon (a machine gun) is far more plausible as a protected right than a claim that the government has the power to force people to buy insurance etc



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    Re: Mark Critz Defeats Tim Burns in Pennsylvania Special Election for Murtha's Seat

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    Just because they didn't intend it to be used as it doesn't mean it isn't plausible. I mean they wrote the 2nd amendment but they didn't intend people to be walking around with machine guns. Also, if healthcare isn't for the general welfare what is?
    btw if it was not intended by the founders than it is not constitutional unless by amendment.



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    Re: Mark Critz Defeats Tim Burns in Pennsylvania Special Election for Murtha's Seat

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    edify me as to what law school you teach for. Machine guns didn't exist back then but then again neither did computers or telephones so you have no first amendment rights concerning stuff you say on a chat board or a phone

    Amuse me as to what you think the second amendment says? Individual possession of the standard infantry weapon (a machine gun) is far more plausible as a protected right than a claim that the government has the power to force people to buy insurance etc
    Haha you are taking my point to literally, it was just an example. My point is not every part of the constitution is used as it was intended for. And if you think you need to go to law school to be able to read and understand the constitution you are sadly mistaken.

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    Re: Mark Critz Defeats Tim Burns in Pennsylvania Special Election for Murtha's Seat

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    btw if it was not intended by the founders than it is not constitutional unless by amendment.
    How do we know what was and wasn't intended by the founders? We don;t have george Washington here to ask whether he thinks people should able to carry around machine guns or not. The constitution doesn't address all of our issues we have today.

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    Re: Mark Critz Defeats Tim Burns in Pennsylvania Special Election for Murtha's Seat

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    your childish labels of me are of no concern

    you aren't smart enough to determine what is far right
    Childish labels? You are the one saying "Messiah" and "Obamunism" Grow up

    As for this being unconstitutional, then if the states lose their lawsuits, that means it is constitutional and you are WRONG.

    But then that won't stop you on the far-right from whining.

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