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Specter rejected by Pa. Dems in bid for 6th term

Obama is not stupid enough to do something like this. However, he has plenty of minions working for him who are.

I believe that, also, there are a lot of skeletons in the admiral's closet that he does not want exposed.

My prediction is that there will be a sacrificial goat offered by the white house, shortly.
 
Good news. Specter was always a Republican.

ROTFLMFAO...
I am sure someone has corrected you on this.

Specter was a Democrat from the start and a RINO his whole career.
He went back to the party he should have stayed with.

When he opted for his Scottish Law blarney during the removal process of a certain perverted perjurer president... that was enough. I's hoped for his defeat since that day.

Happy retirement Arlen.

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ROTFLMFAO...
I am sure someone has corrected you on this.

Specter was a Democrat from the start and a RINO his whole career.
He went back to the party he should have stayed with.

When he opted for his Scottish Law blarney during the removal process of a certain perverted perjurer president... that was enough. I's hoped for his defeat since that day.


Happy retirement Arlen.

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finally found something about which we agree
 
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What exactly is the controversy here? I don't understand.

Someone was offered a job so they wouldn't run? That happens all the time, and it's not illegal. Even Bush's lawyer wrote about this recently and said it happened in the Bush administration.

Another grasp at straws, if you ask me.


EDIT: Here's the link: Legal Ethics Forum: Joe Sestak?s ?Bribe? Scandal: Another Ethics Sideshow

Besides a blatant bribery attempt (felony), Obama ran a campaign espousing ethics and tranparency in his administration.

As it has turned out, the only thing actually transparent is his, and his cabals agenda, and the lengths folks like you will go to defend them.
 
The fact remains that this has been done many times before, including by Republican presidents. Of course, that never gets any of you interested, does it? It's only a terrible crime if a Democrat does it.

Oh and it's a misdemeanor, not a felony. At least get your facts right before you get all red in the face.

The fact is that this is a gray area; he was offered a job he was qualified for, and he didn't accept, and no money changed hands and no threats were made. It's not clear that rises to the level required by the statute.

Here's another article giving a pretty clear analysis, pointing out the pros and cons of such legal action:

Issa's Call for a Special Prosecutor: Does It Have Merit? - Politics - The Atlantic
 
The fact remains that this has been done many times before, including by Republican presidents. Of course, that never gets any of you interested, does it? It's only a terrible crime if a Democrat does it.

Oh and it's a misdemeanor, not a felony. At least get your facts right before you get all red in the face.

The fact is that this is a gray area; he was offered a job he was qualified for, and he didn't accept, and no money changed hands and no threats were made. It's not clear that rises to the level required by the statute.

Here's another article giving a pretty clear analysis, pointing out the pros and cons of such legal action:

Issa's Call for a Special Prosecutor: Does It Have Merit? - Politics - The Atlantic


Lengths. Some. Will. Go. To. Defend. The. Indefensible. If. Their. Ideology. Is. Threatened.

This episode of bribery can indeed be prosecuted as a felony
 
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Lengths. Some. Will. Go. To. Defend. The. Indefensible. If. Their. Ideology. Is. Threatened.

This episode of bribery can indeed be prosecuted as a felony

Please provide any proof of that statement.

Lengths. Some. Will. Go. To. Defend. The. Indefensible. If. Their. Ideology. Is. Threatened.
 
Please provide any proof of that statement.

Lengths. Some. Will. Go. To. Defend. The. Indefensible. If. Their. Ideology. Is. Threatened.


I'll let your contributions in this thread speak for themselves.
 
I'll let your contributions in this thread speak for themselves.

Ah, so you have no proof, I take it? Especially since the law itself says it is a misdemeanor?

Look, as an attorney, I look to the law. I don't see it. I've read blogs and reports from other lawyers. They don't see it.

Now of course the right wing blogs are pissing themselves in excitement over this, but all the sources I've reviewed are not political and they don't see it.

If, of course, more evidence comes out that there was something else going on, I might be willing to change my view. If a special prosecutor is appointed and finds something, then there's probably something, I agree.

It seems to me that the only bias we are seeing here is coming from the right who have convicted everyone involved without having seen a bit of evidence. I am saying that there isn't enough yet -- a view apparently shared by everyone who isn't looking for everything they can to attack the President.
 
Ah, so you have no proof, I take it? Especially since the law itself says it is a misdemeanor?

Look, as an attorney, I look to the law. I don't see it. I've read blogs and reports from other lawyers.

Felony Crime of giving a BENEFIT (e.g., money) in order to influence the judgment or conduct of a person in a position of trust (e.g., an official or witness). Accepting a bribe also constitutes a crime. Bribery is typically punishable as a felony (see felony and misdemeanour). In any charge of bribery, some element of "corrupt purpose" must be implied or proved. Thus, in the absence of a complete statutory prohibition on the granting of favours to a public official, a gift is not a bribe unless it is given with some intent to influence the recipient's official behaviour. See also extortion.ribery....individual case law, Counselor? You are surely not going to argue this case cannot be tried as a felony.

God...I feel for your clients.
 
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Felony bCrime of giving a benefit (e.g., money) in order to influence the judgment or conduct of a person in a position of trust (e.g., an official or witness). Accepting a bribe also constitutes a crime. Bribery is typically punishable as a felony (see felony and misdemeanour). In any charge of bribery, some element of "corrupt purpose" must be implied or proved. Thus, in the absence of a complete statutory prohibition on the granting of favours to a public official, a gift is not a bribe unless it is given with some intent to influence the recipient's official behaviour. See also extortion.ribery....individual case law, Counselor? You are surely not going to argue this case cannot be tried as a felony.

God...I feel for your clients.

Um, yes I am, because if you read the law that was cited, it is a misdemeanor. You can't turn a misdemeanor into a felony just because you'd like to.

I mean, seriously, you're just embarrassing yourself now.
 
it may be legal, it may not be legal

either way, it's political poison

it's putrid

hope and change?

and it's stunningly stupid

it's a BLAGO move

why did sestak say it?

is he dumb?

why can't gibbs gibe?

mum's the press secty's comeback?

the press secty?

this aint goin away, ask mr weiner

happy campaigning, admiral
 
it may be legal, it may not be legal

either way, it's political poison

it's putrid

hope and change?

and it's stunningly stupid

it's a BLAGO move

why did sestak say it?

is he dumb?

why can't gibbs gibe?

mum's the press secty's comeback?

the press secty?

this aint goin away, ask mr weiner

happy campaigning, admiral

Says the guy who told us the health care bill was dead.
 
Um, yes I am, because if you read the law that was cited, it is a misdemeanor. You can't turn a misdemeanor into a felony just because you'd like to.

I mean, seriously, you're just embarrassing yourself now.

LOL!

If you're an attorney, disbarrment should be in order. A misdemeanor charge can indeed be increased to a felony....

Embarrassment should include presenting oneself as an attorney that hasn't a clue about certain aspects of law.
 
On CNN, Axelrod agreed that if Sestak's assertions were true, "they would constitute a serious breach of the law"

White House Wards Off Questions about Alleged Sestak Job Offer - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

Rep. Joe Sestak (D., Pa.) said yesterday that the White House offered him a federal job in an effort to dissuade him from challenging Sen. Arlen Specter in the state's Democratic primary.

The disclosure came during an afternoon taping of Larry Kane: Voice of Reason, a Sunday news-analysis show on the Comcast Network. Sestak would not elaborate on the circumstances and seemed chagrined after blurting out "yes" to veteran news anchor Kane's direct question.

"Was it secretary of the Navy?" Kane asked.

"No comment," Sestak said.

"Was it [the job] high-ranking?" Kane asked. Sestak said yes, but added that he would "never leave" the Senate race for a deal.

Sestak says federal job was offered to quit race | Philadelphia Inquirer | 02/19/2010

someone's clearly LYING

axelrod---if the admiral is telling the truth, the white house has acted illegally

it is what it is
 
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LOL!

If you're an attorney, disbarrment should be in order. A misdemeanor charge can indeed be increased to a felony....

Embarrassment should include presenting oneself as an attorney that hasn't a clue about certain aspects of law.

A NEW charge can be filed if there is a reason, indeed. You cannot take a current law and suddenly wave your hand and make it a felony.

The laws that were cited in this thread are misdemeanors. Those laws will never be felonies no matter how much you rub your wishing pony.

If any reasonable people would like to discuss this, I would be glad to continue, but I'm through with the troll.
 
A NEW charge can be filed if there is a reason, indeed. You cannot take a current law and suddenly wave your hand and make it a felony.

The laws that were cited in this thread are misdemeanors. Those laws will never be felonies no matter how much you rub your wishing pony.

If any reasonable people would like to discuss this, I would be glad to continue, but I'm through with the troll.

Of course you are "through with the troll" "The troll" just exposed your bull**** (attorney, my ass!)
 
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