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    Re: Specter rejected by Pa. Dems in bid for 6th term

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    it doesn't pass the smell test
    but like most things political, there is margin for plausible deniability
    if the waters were tested to inquire whether he was interested in becoming the secretary of the navy before becoming heavily immersed in a run for office, would that have been a quid pro quo circumstance?
    No - testing the waters and offering a job if Sestak dropped out are two different things. Which begs the question:

    If it were just testing the waters --- why would the WH and Sestak avoid answering the inquiries for the past 2 months? It sounds as if this will require subpoena's and an "under oath" discussion where Sestak will either come clean and provide all he knows (doubtful) or he'll simply say he was mistaken and the dozen or so interviews where he stated "honestly, YES" the White House offered him something to drop out of the PA race, was all a big mistake (more likely). And if there's something found to implicate the WH in any way --- Sestak will take full blame and leave in disgrace taking the bullet for his party and President (somewhat likely depending on where this goes).

    I just happen to feel that this would be a field day of giddy joy were this Bush/Cheney on the hot seat. The calls for Republicans to be jailed, impeached, etc... would be overwhelming. Somehow I don't see that same thing happening over the last 2 months.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Specter rejected by Pa. Dems in bid for 6th term

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    No - testing the waters and offering a job if Sestak dropped out are two different things. Which begs the question:

    If it were just testing the waters --- why would the WH and Sestak avoid answering the inquiries for the past 2 months? It sounds as if this will require subpoena's and an "under oath" discussion where Sestak will either come clean and provide all he knows (doubtful) or he'll simply say he was mistaken and the dozen or so interviews where he stated "honestly, YES" the White House offered him something to drop out of the PA race, was all a big mistake (more likely). And if there's something found to implicate the WH in any way --- Sestak will take full blame and leave in disgrace taking the bullet for his party and President (somewhat likely depending on where this goes).

    I just happen to feel that this would be a field day of giddy joy were this Bush/Cheney on the hot seat. The calls for Republicans to be jailed, impeached, etc... would be overwhelming. Somehow I don't see that same thing happening over the last 2 months.
    If the WH lawyers are at all good, they would advise avoiding answering any questions about potential misconduct, even if innocent, unless required to by the courts.
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    Re: Specter rejected by Pa. Dems in bid for 6th term

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    If the WH lawyers are at all good, they would advise avoiding answering any questions about potential misconduct, even if innocent, unless required to by the courts.
    Legally - yes, a sound strategy to follow.

    Politically - not so good as this is yet more fodder for the LACK of transparency from this White House that was voted in partially, for CHANGE and the claim of full transparency.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Specter rejected by Pa. Dems in bid for 6th term

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Legally - yes, a sound strategy to follow.

    Politically - not so good as this is yet more fodder for the LACK of transparency from this White House that was voted in partially, for CHANGE and the claim of full transparency.
    Since it is a legal issue, I really don't see how any one can hold it against him for not commenting.
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    Re: Specter rejected by Pa. Dems in bid for 6th term

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Since it is a legal issue, I really don't see how any one can hold it against him for not commenting.
    Is it a legal issue? If so... this could be big trouble.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Specter rejected by Pa. Dems in bid for 6th term

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Is it a legal issue? If so... this could be big trouble.
    I believe it is. I seem to remember reading that if there was a quid pro quo offer, that would be illegal. I got to run in a few minutes, but I can try and find out for sure later if you want.
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    Re: Specter rejected by Pa. Dems in bid for 6th term

    legalities are one thing, politics another, hello

    Sestak, White House deflect job-offer questions | Philadelphia Inquirer | 05/24/2010

    During an appearance on NBC's Meet the Press, Sestak confirmed he was offered a job. But he would not answer host David Gregory's follow-up questions. "Anything that goes beyond that is for others to talk about," Sestak said.
    well, folks are

    like the inquirer, mr schieffer, mr gregory, mr issa, and the pissy press corps which "bombarded" mr gibbs on wednesday "with questions about the allegation"

    too bad gibbs couldn't answer
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    Re: Specter rejected by Pa. Dems in bid for 6th term

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    No - testing the waters and offering a job if Sestak dropped out are two different things. Which begs the question:

    If it were just testing the waters --- why would the WH and Sestak avoid answering the inquiries for the past 2 months? It sounds as if this will require subpoena's and an "under oath" discussion where Sestak will either come clean and provide all he knows (doubtful) or he'll simply say he was mistaken and the dozen or so interviews where he stated "honestly, YES" the White House offered him something to drop out of the PA race, was all a big mistake (more likely). And if there's something found to implicate the WH in any way --- Sestak will take full blame and leave in disgrace taking the bullet for his party and President (somewhat likely depending on where this goes).

    I just happen to feel that this would be a field day of giddy joy were this Bush/Cheney on the hot seat. The calls for Republicans to be jailed, impeached, etc... would be overwhelming. Somehow I don't see that same thing happening over the last 2 months.
    sestak was offer a job by the white house, he has confirmed that
    if he accepted the offered job, presumably the retired admiral was offered the secretary of the navy position, then it would be obvious he would have to drop out of the race against specter to accept that position
    while all parties would understand that, the obvious would not have to be explained
    so, this cannot be found a bribe, or any form of quid pro quo
    and neither can this form of politics be found change we can believe in, either


    and you are so wrong about your assessment that if this had happened during the dubya bin lyin regime, the shrub would have been taken to task for it
    all i need to say to prove my point is that the neocons were in lockstep in protecting the shrub when his white house outed a covert CIA agent for political purposes ... and got away with such treason
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Specter rejected by Pa. Dems in bid for 6th term

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    legalities are one thing, politics another, hello

    Sestak, White House deflect job-offer questions | Philadelphia Inquirer | 05/24/2010



    well, folks are

    like the inquirer, mr schieffer, mr gregory, mr issa, and the pissy press corps which "bombarded" mr gibbs on wednesday "with questions about the allegation"
    Well that's the thing. I'm not sure it's really a legal issue though I can see the lack of transparency on the part of all involved would lead us to believe there are illegality's and a quid pro quo offer was made. We need facts is all I'm saying and if we can't get them voluntarily then I think an investigation needs to take place.

    My only cynical view here is, if improprieties took place, the worse that will happen is Sestak will be out and potentially a Republican will win that seat. I seriously doubt this will take down Obama or any of his staff no matter WHAT the impropriety actually was or how bad it may have been. We'll probably never actually find out.

    Politically I think the WH would want this over before November and not after. So whatever is going to happen will happen in the next 6 months and probably 2-3 months optimally.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Specter rejected by Pa. Dems in bid for 6th term

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    sestak was offer a job by the white house, he has confirmed that
    if he accepted the offered job, presumably the retired admiral was offered the secretary of the navy position, then it would be obvious he would have to drop out of the race against specter to accept that position
    while all parties would understand that, the obvious would not have to be explained
    so, this cannot be found a bribe, or any form of quid pro quo
    and neither can this form of politics be found change we can believe in, either
    One does not have to accept the offer for the bribe to take place, nor the felony to occur.

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    and you are so wrong about your assessment that if this had happened during the dubya bin lyin regime, the shrub would have been taken to task for it
    Given the time and mood of the country at that time with the liberals on parade, this would be the biggest scandal since Watergate - so I'll dismiss your assessment and keep my own. It would be huge and front page for weeks if not months. Of course that's hypothetical, so you keep your view I'll keep mine.

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    all i need to say to prove my point is that the neocons were in lockstep in protecting the shrub when his white house outed a covert CIA agent for political purposes ... and got away with such treason
    As is the Obama administration on this issue and others, lock step. Pot meet kettle.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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