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    Re: Small New York Town Makes English the Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    "Si quieres hablar con alguien en español, oprima el dos"

    Every.....stinking......phone call......to a business.
    Of course, in that part of New York, bi-lingual means English/French.

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    Re: Small New York Town Makes English the Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Wouldn't argue they don't have the right, but would and do laugh at their silliness in doing so.
    What is silly about doing something many states have already done and the national government SHOULD do???
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    Re: Small New York Town Makes English the Law

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Of course, in that part of New York, bi-lingual means English/French.
    Some parts of NH also have bilingual English/French signs...
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    Re: Small New York Town Makes English the Law

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    What is silly about doing something many states have already done and the national government SHOULD do???
    I have explained what is silly about it. So, you skip that go with we should follow the crowd? Right over the edge?

    Look, it's wasteful spending, does nothing effectively, and is only a let me feel superior legislation. Nothing more.

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    Re: Small New York Town Makes English the Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I have explained what is silly about it. So, you skip that go with we should follow the crowd? Right over the edge?

    Look, it's wasteful spending, does nothing effectively, and is only a let me feel superior legislation. Nothing more.
    It is not wasteful spending declaring an official language. Many states around the world have official languages -- including the one I presently reside in. Why shouldn't there be an official language in the United States. Do you think preparing driver's license exams in a dozen languages and then administering such tests is cheap? Passing a local ordinance? How expensive is that? How is THAT wasteful spending?
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    Re: Small New York Town Makes English the Law

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    No, I need you to link me to something saying that because the town passed a law saying that official town business must be conducted in English, nobody in town can use US bills that have any latin writing on them. See how that's different from what you said?
    I was taking the idea behind the law to its logical extreme though ironically absurd conclusion. The words 'town business' jumped out at me and I thought, don't we see a foreign language every time we conduct business.

    And my other question: What 'town business' was not being conducted in English? For a tiny town with no business district, it just seemed like passing a law against jumping from skyscrapers.

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    Re: Small New York Town Makes English the Law

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    It is not wasteful spending declaring an official language. Many states around the world have official languages -- including the one I presently reside in. Why shouldn't there be an official language in the United States. Do you think preparing driver's license exams in a dozen languages and then administering such tests is cheap? Passing a local ordinance? How expensive is that? How is THAT wasteful spending?
    Needless spending is wasteful spending. Documents are already printed in English. No English speaker has any trouble getting a document in English. Those who need something else will still get something else as state business won't stop for the personal prejudice of a minority, even for the prejudices of a majority. The same number of exams and other documents will still be printed, even if they really do away with foreign language documents, which they really won't.

    Again, as this will change absolutely nothing, it is needless spending, and needless spending is wasteful spending.

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    Re: Small New York Town Makes English the Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Needless spending is wasteful spending. Documents are already printed in English. No English speaker has any trouble getting a document in English. Those who need something else will still get something else as state business won't stop for the personal prejudice of a minority, even for the prejudices of a majority. The same number of exams and other documents will still be printed, even if they really do away with foreign language documents, which they really won't.

    Again, as this will change absolutely nothing, it is needless spending, and needless spending is wasteful spending.
    How much spending do you suppose went into passing this local ordinance?
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    Re: Small New York Town Makes English the Law

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    How much spending do you suppose went into passing this local ordinance?
    In Iowa, when they passed the Bill, it was reported a couple of million was spent, and the bill changed nothing. Hence my thought that it was wasteful.

    English speakers face no problem getting things printed in English. All government documents are in English accept when they need something else. After the legislation, they still have need from time to time, and still meet that need. Such legislation isn't worth the paper it's written on, let alone large sums of money.

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    Re: Small New York Town Makes English the Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    In Iowa, when they passed the Bill, it was reported a couple of million was spent, and the bill changed nothing. Hence my thought that it was wasteful.

    English speakers face no problem getting things printed in English. All government documents are in English accept when they need something else. After the legislation, they still have need from time to time, and still meet that need. Such legislation isn't worth the paper it's written on, let alone large sums of money.
    1. This is a local ordinance in what is apparently a small town, not a state. This is likely to cost VERY little, if anything. You say "large sums of money", but you have been unable to convince me that this action by a small town will have that cost.

    2. This isn't about English speakers. This is about putting in place measures requiring immigrants to learn English and to ensure that all government services are provided in English and only English.

    I would support state laws requiring English for all state documents, including driver's license tests. We know the national government won't do the right thing in this regard.
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