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    Re: Supreme Court: Sex offenders can be held indefinitely

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I agree with you, but the problem I have is that we can make the penalty under the law to be life in prison without parole. I think that is a more sensible way to handle it. Change it at the sentencing level, not just say that if the government finds they may be a threat after they have served their sentence, we can hold them. That concept scares me.
    I agree. After they have served their time they shouldn't be locked up again unless they commit another crime. I should have clarified better. If someone is a first time offender I don't support locking them up for life or hunting them down when they get out if they have done nothing wrong. For second time offenders I support a life sentence without parole in prison.

    So because you dislike someone labeled "sex offender" you believe their rights should be violated by the government? If they are that dangerous then they should be given life sentences to begin with.
    Second, there is a very serious difference between "sex offender" and "pedophile". Conflating the two for the purpose of punishment is wrong, very wrong.
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    What about the rights of the violated children? I don't support giving them a life sentence for a first offense (unless it was a very disturbing case and the guy is clearly a sicko). I think sex offenders and pedophiles deserve equal punishment. Sex offenders who commit rape against adults is sick as well and deserves life in jail for a repeated offense. I would say it's more serious when someone rapes a child, but both crimes are horrific and deserve a life sentence for repeat offenses.

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    Re: Court: Sexually dangerous can be kept in prison

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    You know, I am kind of torn on this. On one hand, once a sentence that is handed down by a court is served, then it is done, or at least should be. But, on the other hand, what do we do with those who will no doubt molest children again, and ruin their lives? I say we keep them in prison, or if they want out badly enough, give them the option of castration in order to rejoin society.

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    Article is here.
    There is a fascinating discussion on this going here: http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...efinitely.html

    It really is an interesting and I think important topic, and the lines of who agrees and disagrees is interesting.
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    Re: Supreme Court: Sex offenders can be held indefinitely

    A thank you would be nice. I have no problem if we execute most off the sex offenders in this country. It would be the best treatment for the "mentally ill".
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    Re: Court: Sexually dangerous can be kept in prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    There is a fascinating discussion on this going here: http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...efinitely.html

    It really is an interesting and I think important topic, and the lines of who agrees and disagrees is interesting.
    You are right.

    Even though my link is mainstream and not from a blog, I would have no objection to this thread being merged with the one in breaking news - blogs. Great discussion there.
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    Re: Court: Sexually dangerous can be kept in prison

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    You know, I am kind of torn on this. On one hand, once a sentence that is handed down by a court is served, then it is done, or at least should be. But, on the other hand, what do we do with those who will no doubt molest children again, and ruin their lives? I say we keep them in prison, or if they want out badly enough, give them the option of castration in order to rejoin society.

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    Article is here.
    i'm not torn. if they've served their term, they deserve to be free as long as they follow whatever rules are in place for them. the answer is to change the laws regarding sentencing for sexual offenders. require longer sentences, maybe life sentences, and build residences where they have to live when they are paroled, and place exceptionally strict requirements on them.

    but that's NOT how the law reads now. the supreme court is wrong.

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    Re: Supreme Court: Sex offenders can be held indefinitely

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    Thomas and Scalia dissented. I gotta read this. I am happy with this outcome, and I love when I see the libs and the cons agree on a subject matter. Here's a link to the decision. http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/09pdf/08-1224.pdf

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    i don't agree. we don't incarcerate people for crimes they might commit. these offenders were given a specific snetence and should be required to fulfill that, and be released.

    the answer is to change existing sentencing laws regarding hard core sex offenders. maybe life in prison, and if paroled require them to live in specifically built residences, with strict rules.

    we don't keep murderers in prison after they've served their sentence. it's discrimination, pure and simple.

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    Re: Supreme Court: Sex offenders can be held indefinitely

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I agree with this decision and am thrilled that they have made it!



    Why?

    There's no therapeutic or medicinal cure for pedophilia and compulsive rape among other vicious crimes.

    I fail to see how putting them in a loony bin will help at all.
    well, there's no cure for sociopathic murderers, either. we need to change the law or ABIDE by the law as it is.

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    Re: Supreme Court: Sex offenders can be held indefinitely

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I would say for repeat sex offenders they should be held indefinitely. The sick thing is that so many get out of jail and return to molesting innocent children. Monsters like that deserve to be jailed for the rest of their lives. I agree with the SCOTUS decision. However, I don't think first time offenders should be held indefinitely.
    really? statistics show that first time offenders ARE not first time offenders, it was just the first time they were caught.

    they went to prison with a specific sentence, and if they served that sentence, they can't be kept. we should change our laws, not ignore them.

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    Re: Supreme Court: Sex offenders can be held indefinitely

    Quote Originally Posted by Goof Noodle View Post
    A thank you would be nice. I have no problem if we execute most off the sex offenders in this country. It would be the best treatment for the "mentally ill".
    For a so-called libertarian that's a pretty big stick you're handing the government!

    Here's my problems with such a ruling:

    1) "Sex offender" and "child molester" are not the same thing. How many cases have we seen people blackmarked for life over something absurd? I remember a case where a 16 year old had sex with his 16 year old girlfriend, legally. Girlfriend takes a picture of said act and sends it to him. Arrested for possession of child pornography. Or some guy gets drunk and stumbles outside naked, public indecency. Sex offender for life.

    2) If we're just going to ignore sentencing, why do it in the first place? "Welp, we'll let you out when and IF we feel like it."

    3) What's to stop this precedent from being expanded to robbery, smoking pot, or unlawful possession of a firearm?

    Edit: And as liblady posted above, we don't imprison people for crimes they might commit.
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    Re: Court: Sexually dangerous can be kept in prison

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    You are right.

    Even though my link is mainstream and not from a blog, I would have no objection to this thread being merged with the one in breaking news - blogs. Great discussion there.
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