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    Re: Supreme Court: Sex offenders can be held indefinitely

    Here's my take on this because when reading it I thought of a few things right off. First, it has the words "Sex Offenders", a horrible offense that instantly grabs onto emotion and crosses political boundries. Second, was what would we be hearing if it said this instead:

    Supreme Court: Terrorists can be held indefinitely

    The Supreme Court ruled Monday the federal government has the power to indefinitely keep some terrorists behind bars after they have served their sentences, if officials determine those inmates may prove "dangerous" in the future.

    "The federal government, as custodian of its prisoners, has the constitutional power to act in order to protect nearby (and other) communities from the danger such prisoners may pose," Justice Stephen Breyer wrote for the 7-2 majority.
    Would we still be fine with it?

    Redress actually made a sentiment in this thread which I think explains the view of some people who don't exactly like the way we've handled terrorists or terrorist suspects but don't also throw a huge fit about it:

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    I think I kinda disagree with this, though I have a hard time getting worked up over it, since I loathe and detest and despise sexual predators.
    Switch out sexual predators with terrorists.

    I think if anything this is a good way for some people to possibly get in the mind of posters who are willing to possibly tempt that slippery slope and the precedent it sets with regards to terrorists because...like many with sexual predators...they detest and despise terrorists and thus have a hard time getting worked up over issues that involve them getting punished.

    Just a thought.

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    Re: Supreme Court: Sex offenders can be held indefinitely

    I agree with this decision and am thrilled that they have made it!

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I think this is the wrong way to go about this. If jail is not sufficient to rehabilitate these folks, than they probably need to be in a psychiatric facility instead.
    Why?

    There's no therapeutic or medicinal cure for pedophilia and compulsive rape among other vicious crimes.

    I fail to see how putting them in a loony bin will help at all.
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    Re: Supreme Court: Sex offenders can be held indefinitely

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    I can't believe the editor let this title print.

    I would have changed "held" to "detained".

    Sex offenders just want to be held.
    I thought the same thing.




    As to the ruling, if the courts want to detain the offender (any offender) indefinitely, then they should sentence them to life with no parole.

    Once they serve their complete sentence, they should always go free, no exceptions.

    The easy solution is to give life sentences to sex offenders.
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    Re: Supreme Court: Sex offenders can be held indefinitely

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I think I kinda disagree with this, though I have a hard time getting worked up over it, since I loathe and detest and despise sexual predators. I think it is a dangerous precedent.

    I do find it interesting how this is one that does not fall along classical liberal/conservative divisions.
    Me too! I'm fascinated by that.

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    Re: Supreme Court: Sex offenders can be held indefinitely

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I thought the same thing.




    As to the ruling, if the courts want to detain the offender (any offender) indefinitely, then they should sentence them to life with no parole.

    Once they serve their complete sentence, they should always go free, no exceptions.

    The easy solution is to give life sentences to sex offenders.
    I read this wrong. My comments were directed at pre-trial conditions.

    I agree with life sentences for sex offenders for instances with pre-pubescent victims, violent assaults, and drugging/date rapes. Some overzealous prosecutors will file sex crimes charges against 16 year old girls and their boyfriends for a picture of her breasts thus labelling them "sex offenders". There should be a different category for instances like this.
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    Re: Supreme Court: Sex offenders can be held indefinitely

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I would say for repeat sex offenders they should be held indefinitely. The sick thing is that so many get out of jail and return to molesting innocent children. Monsters like that deserve to be jailed for the rest of their lives. I agree with the SCOTUS decision. However, I don't think first time offenders should be held indefinitely.
    So because you dislike someone labeled "sex offender" you believe their rights should be violated by the government? If they are that dangerous then they should be given life sentences to begin with.
    Second, there is a very serious difference between "sex offender" and "pedophile". Conflating the two for the purpose of punishment is wrong, very wrong.
    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    I skimmed the opinions, and it should be noted that only mentally ill patients classified as sexually ill who have committed violent sexual acts against children and are considered likely to relapse qualify. A hearing to determine danger to society is set up like a trial, where the accused has council and evidence is presented. If found a danger, the inmate will be transmitted to mental institution, either state or federal.
    That's the description they want to use today, next time, maybe they drop the "mentally ill" part. It's a slippery slope and this is the wrong way to go about it.

    This sort of thing skates on really thin ice. You serve your sentence in prison, no more and no less. Anything else is a miscarriage of justice. On the other hand, the state does have the ability to commit dangerous mentally unbalanced people to institutions, indefinitely if needed. What bothers me is the inconsistency of the whole matter. If the perp is so crazy they need to be locked up in a mental facility, they should have been allowed to plead insanity during the trial and sent to an institution instead of prison in the first place. Second, it seems to imply that sex offenders are being treated differently than other dangerous mentally ill people, which doesn't sit right either.
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    Court: Sexually dangerous can be kept in prison

    WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court says federal officials can indefinitely hold inmates considered "sexually dangerous" after their prison terms are complete.

    The high court on Monday reversed a lower court decision that said Congress overstepped its authority in allowing indefinite detentions of considered "sexually dangerous."
    You know, I am kind of torn on this. On one hand, once a sentence that is handed down by a court is served, then it is done, or at least should be. But, on the other hand, what do we do with those who will no doubt molest children again, and ruin their lives? I say we keep them in prison, or if they want out badly enough, give them the option of castration in order to rejoin society.

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    Re: Supreme Court: Sex offenders can be held indefinitely

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I agree with this decision and am thrilled that they have made it!

    Why?

    There's no therapeutic or medicinal cure for pedophilia and compulsive rape among other vicious crimes.

    I fail to see how putting them in a loony bin will help at all.
    There are a lot of mental illnesses that we have no cure for, yet we put these people in asylums (or at least we used to before the 80s). If someone is having these sorts of urges that they cannot control, they are not well. I think we should reserve jail for those who have a conscious choice over their actions and can be rehabilitated through punishment.

    Also, there should be strict standards for due process on this sort of thing and it should never be a matter of the parole committee not knowing what to do with the inmate and resorting to this because of that.
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    Re: Supreme Court: Sex offenders can be held indefinitely

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Here's my take on this because when reading it I thought of a few things right off. First, it has the words "Sex Offenders", a horrible offense that instantly grabs onto emotion and crosses political boundries. Second, was what would we be hearing if it said this instead:



    Would we still be fine with it?

    Redress actually made a sentiment in this thread which I think explains the view of some people who don't exactly like the way we've handled terrorists or terrorist suspects but don't also throw a huge fit about it:



    Switch out sexual predators with terrorists.

    I think if anything this is a good way for some people to possibly get in the mind of posters who are willing to possibly tempt that slippery slope and the precedent it sets with regards to terrorists because...like many with sexual predators...they detest and despise terrorists and thus have a hard time getting worked up over issues that involve them getting punished.

    Just a thought.
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    Re: Supreme Court: Sex offenders can be held indefinitely

    time to watch one flew over the cuckoo's nest before reading the court's opinion(s)
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