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    Re: Supreme Court: Sex offenders can be held indefinitely

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    What makes you assume that the people being affected by this are "determined to sexually abuse young children" any more than the average robber/rapist is determined to rob or rape?



    I don't like murderers, muggers or drunk drivers either, but that doesn't mean we should just lock them all up forever and throw away the keys.
    I agree.
    I mean, maybe we should, but if so, we should make it an across the board policy, not make it applicable to only one type of crime; not even the worst type, either.
    One can hardly argue that sex offenders are more dangerous than murderers.
    This whole thing reeks of pandering.

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    Re: Supreme Court: Sex offenders can be held indefinitely

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    If that's what you think, the way to go about doing that is to get the legislature to enact harsher sentences for child molestation.
    Totally agree.

    I think child molesters and rapists (of any kind) should be automatically sentenced to life in prison, with the possibility of parole (depending on the nature of the crime) after a minimum of fifteen years. I also think a necessary condition of their parole should be voluntarily submitting to chemical castration.

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    Re: Supreme Court: Sex offenders can be held indefinitely

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    I agree.
    I mean, maybe we should, but if so, we should make it an across the board policy, not make it applicable to only one type of crime; not even the worst type, either.
    One can hardly argue that sex offenders are more dangerous than murderers.
    This whole thing reeks of pandering.
    Pandering... absolutely because our government seeks power by promising to eliminate our fears of crime and the promise of crime control will also be a ace in the hole for politicians. Sad really, a simple and practical approach would be a lot more beneficial, IMO politicians that pander to the voter in this regard have as much blood on their hands as does a perp who commits a heinous act.

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    Re: Supreme Court: Sex offenders can be held indefinitely

    1069, how can you say "Maybe we should?" WTF is the reasoning behind the courts and sentencing process? Why not just do away with it if we're only going to use it as a "suggestion" instead of actual law?

    Delta, what about Foley, the number one presser of new sex offender laws, and he himself was caught sending sexual texts to underage boys? And Jessica's dad, I forgot his name, whose daughter was molested and killed, they found child porn on his computer but never prosecuted it? He was the push behind "Jessicas law." That's a bunch of bull**** if you ask me. Talk about the bastards making these laws are as crooked as anyone affected by them.
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    Re: Supreme Court: Sex offenders can be held indefinitely

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    1069, how can you say "Maybe we should?" WTF is the reasoning behind the courts and sentencing process? Why not just do away with it if we're only going to use it as a "suggestion" instead of actual law?

    Delta, what about Foley, the number one presser of new sex offender laws, and he himself was caught sending sexual texts to underage boys? And Jessica's dad, I forgot his name, whose daughter was molested and killed, they found child porn on his computer but never prosecuted it? He was the push behind "Jessicas law." That's a bunch of bull**** if you ask me. Talk about the bastards making these laws are as crooked as anyone affected by them.
    Far as Foley, press charges against him, and have him tried but his crime doesn't warrant the punishment I have stated previously. Jessica father if guilty of murdering his own daughter hang him, if not he would fall into the same category as Foley. Child porn and the subsidizing of it directly or indirectly should be a crime and I believe it is. Some could argue that child pornography is the first step to child molestation. As far as politicians are concerned ..they are not above the law.

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    No, he didn't kill his own daughter, but was caught with child porn. They didn't prosecute.

    The issue I have with CP is what constitutes it? People taking photos of their kids playing in the bathtub have been busted for child porn. People that erroneously clicked on a spam link sent by a known friend who got a virus, bam. You can happen upon CP and not know it or want it and still go down for years for it. Is that right?

    People think something hideous when they think CP, but ironically enough, most photos out there are just nudist photos. Yes there are a few hard core type pics, but they are few and far between.

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    Re: Supreme Court: Sex offenders can be held indefinitely

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    No, he didn't kill his own daughter, but was caught with child porn. They didn't prosecute.

    The issue I have with CP is what constitutes it? People taking photos of their kids playing in the bathtub have been busted for child porn. People that erroneously clicked on a spam link sent by a known friend who got a virus, bam. You can happen upon CP and not know it or want it and still go down for years for it. Is that right?

    People think something hideous when they think CP, but ironically enough, most photos out there are just nudist photos. Yes there are a few hard core type pics, but they are few and far between.
    I think common sense should play a role in this, anyone can tell whether a pic of a kid naked in a bathtub is far different than a kid conducting sexual acts on a adult. I will admit there are gray area's and those who are molesters will figure a way out to just stay above that line between child pornography and nudist pics. Although to post it on a PC for paid or unpaid public viewing is porn in my book and should be a crime but again wouldn't meet the penalties I would endorse for stronger offenses. The solicitation partially nude child photo's should be carefully regulated and adhere to very strict guidelines, now photo's of children running around the yard naked or in the tub and taken as family photo;s, this is where common sense comes in. That said, I see your point and I do understand that when governments make law it tends to go overboard.

    BTW, something like the Gerber baby naked on a baby food jar isn't porn or abusive, something like this is OK, if you can get what I am trying to say.

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    Re: Supreme Court: Sex offenders can be held indefinitely

    BtW dontworrybehappy, any e-mail, pic or whatever that is sent to you over the net can be back traced and it can be determined who initiated the action. Jessica father should have been prosecuted and the one who caught the virus on his PC shouldn't have be prosecuted if the trace was linked to the source and he didn't initiate it. This would be simple was the e-mail outgoing or incoming, a simple detailed investigations could solve this in short order.

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    Re: Supreme Court: Sex offenders can be held indefinitely

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I agree with you, but the problem I have is that we can make the penalty under the law to be life in prison without parole. I think that is a more sensible way to handle it. Change it at the sentencing level, not just say that if the government finds they may be a threat after they have served their sentence, we can hold them. That concept scares me.
    That concept should scare the living daylights out of everyone.
    If it were brought into being it would be fraught with difficulties and abuse.
    Certainly if a Sex criminal is a repeat offender or is judged to be a possible re-offender then society must be protected somehow, but not with a life sentence in Prison.

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    Re: Supreme Court: Sex offenders can be held indefinitely

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
    That concept should scare the living daylights out of everyone.
    If it were brought into being it would be fraught with difficulties and abuse.
    Certainly if a Sex criminal is a repeat offender or is judged to be a possible re-offender then society must be protected somehow, but not with a life sentence in Prison.
    Certainty of a sex offender reoffending can never be established. You cannot hold someone, in any fashion, nor punish them in any fashion, for something they MIGHT do.

    Delta, the problem you have is that you think prosecutors have common sense. They don't. Read this.

    http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/arizona-co...ory?id=8624533

    Delta, absolutely not can it always be traced back to who sent an email. I can fire up an anon yahoo email address, go to a public wifi network, send pics to someone I don't like, and then call the FBI on them. But they said they were found on Jessica's dads computer, not in his email inbox. But either way, I PROMISE I could send an email anonymously if I wanted to.
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