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AP IMPACT: Fed'l inspections on rig not as claimed

Reverend_Hellh0und said:
No they didn't, yes BP is to blame, all while the oil enters the gulf loop.....


But why lie about inspections and declaring it one of the safest platforms in the gulf if you as a government agency hold no shared culpability?


It really just amazes me how little blame the left in general is putting on the government. This is what you all wanted them to be responsible for. Now that they failed, there is nary a peep from the left about how the government failed miserably in protecting our coast and our environment.
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Do you think everyone involved at MMS is from the left?
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
No they didn't, yes BP is to blame, all while the oil enters the gulf loop.....


But why lie about inspections and declaring it one of the safest platforms in the gulf if you as a government agency hold no shared culpability?


It really just amazes me how little blame the left in general is putting on the government. This is what you all wanted them to be responsible for. Now that they failed, there is nary a peep from the left about how the government failed miserably in protecting our coast and our environment.
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I am not defending the inspection agency. If they where not keeping up with their requirements, that is a problem. If, as it appears, they lied about it, that is absolutely unacceptable. My point is that underinspection does not argue that there should be no inspections.
 
hazlnut said:
I guess you haven't been following the story closely enough to know that that corruption at MMS is a systemic problem that has happened under 3 Presidents.
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Uhm, I have only been stating this for over a week. But yeah nut, ignore what my actual issue is to make this a hyper-partisan rant on yours.


The notion that had Secretary Salazar not gone rafting or been lifted out of the Grand Canyon, then things would be different is so moronic and stupid it's not even funny -- A very pathetic attempt to draw some feeble comparison between this event and Katrina is the type of ignorance that allows systemic corruption to continue.
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Your strawman is pathetic and moronic. His rafting is systemic of the bigger problem the ID has. As evidenced by the missed inspections.



Instead of focusing on the specific individuals at MMS and BP that could have prevented this, you desperately play fifty-six degrees of separation between ineptness and corruption and President Obama.

Also, had you seen 60 Minutes last night, the BP rep on board the rig gave the orders to change procedures to speed things up with the well.
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Funny, I haven't mentioned Obama in this thread. Are you really that up his butt that you have to defend him when he wasn't attacked?


As I said in at least 3 previous threads, this failure is the culmination of 3 presidencies. But don't let that stop you from being a partisan hack. :shrug:
 
Redress said:
I am not defending the inspection agency. If they where not keeping up with their requirements, that is a problem. If, as it appears, they lied about it, that is absolutely unacceptable.
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I agree with all of this. My frustration over this whole issue has to do with a massive failure of Government to regulate/inspect/prevent BP from ****ting the gulf. It's not the fault of Obama alone, but the past 3 presidents. However, where does the buck stop when the poop hits the pool?


I am all for drilling in the gulf, I am not for having no containment plans or non working containment plans, or shortcuts being allowed to save a few hundered thousand.

People have no idea how bad this spill is. 300 ft deep in some spots, entering the gulf loop and up the east coast, and people like hazlnut want to excuse the government just because his guy is now in power...

It's despicable in all areas.




My point is that underinspection does not argue that there should be no inspections.
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huh?
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
:rofl:rofl

So you think BP should have hired a different government agency to do the inspections?
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No, they should have been given the option to hire a private firm to do them, in lieu of paying the fees to the government.

Many times clients have hired me for building inspections whenever the County guys are "busy" and are delaying progress.
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
Talk about a straw man. This analogy fails badly. The govt. is the building inspector, not a contractor.
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OK..... who is responsible if a house burns down 1 week after it's finished from faulty wiring and it passed all of it's electrical inspections?

If you answered the building dept., you are correct..... they are held responsible as they didn't detect the faulty wiring and they are the trained professionals that had that last look.
 
Southern Man said:
No, they should have been given the option to hire a private firm to do them, in lieu of paying the fees to the government.

Many times clients have hired me for building inspections whenever the County guys are "busy" and are delaying progress.
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So tell me exactly how BP was delayed progress?

You know, "getting in the way"?

The Govt. was closer to an absentee landlord in this case.
 
I think this is much ado about nothing.

The government was supposed to conduct monthly inspections. They conducted 88 inspections over a 104 month period. I very much doubt that this explosion is attributable to the fact that they missed 16 inspections over an 8 year period.
 
Redress said:
Chevydriver was arguing that this is proof that we need to get rid of the inspecting agency.
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Even though I am a libertarian, I disagree with him here. Something this potentially harmful should be regulated and protected.


I view this as infrastructure and we can see what happens when we have failure on both private and public sides of an oil rig.
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
So tell me exactly how BP was delayed progress?

You know, "getting in the way"?

The Govt. was closer to an absentee landlord in this case.
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I don't know the details so will comment in a general fashion.

Not doing inspections as agreed upon and expected is 'getting in the way'. Developing a contingency plan and then not having the equipment available when the worst happens is 'getting in the way'.
 
The Government Departments doing or supposed to have been doing these inspections were remiss.
This does not mean we should rid ourselves of these Departments.
It does mean that there should be root and branch investigations why these Departments have not done what they were charged to do.
Certainly the Head of such departments should be dismissed with the proviso that they are prohibited from further Government employment.
Only by making such Department heads directly culpable for the failure (in their Departments or their own respective tasks) can we the Tax paying Public begin to hope, we may get what our Messianic Governments tell us we are receiving, honest effective Governance.

But folks do not hold your breath!
 
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