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Iran inks deal to send low enriched uranium to Turkey

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Iran inked a nuclear-fuel swap deal Monday that commits it to ship 1,200 kilograms of low-enriched uranium to Turkey, potentially ending a standoff with world powers gearing up for new sanctions against the Islamic republic.

The agreement, under which Iran will in return receive nuclear fuel for a Tehran reactor, was signed in the Iranian capital between the foreign ministers of Iran, Turkey and Brazil, an Agence France-Presse correspondent said.
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Not only is this proof of Turkey's effective foreign policy and influence in the region, but the diplomatic efforts of the Kemalist state has both potentialy ended a huge West/East rift and has also shown world powers it is far more effective in the region than anybody else. This is true sentiment to Turkey's power and diplomatic language. I applaud you AKP although i hate to admit it.

Iran inks deal to send low enriched uranium to Turkey - Hurriyet Daily News and Economic Review

This is a new era for Turkey and Brazil. It goes to show that giving diplomacy a second chance hurt nobody.
 
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Israel has legitemate concerns that it will not pull through with the deal, and insists thatr Turkey and Brazil have been manipulated by Iran. Lets hope for the sake of the international community they are wrong!
 
I am glad to see that Turkey is stepping up and trying to keep the peace in the region. I wouldn't start throwing the party in the uranium is physically within Turkish borders, but its a good sign nonetheless.
 
Re: Virtues of Diplomacy: Iran to send Uranium to Turkey

While Turkey deserves credit, there is a major problem with the deal. At the time the international community offered the deal during Autumn 2009, the 1200 kg of low-enriched uranium accounted for two-thirds of Iran's stockpile. Hence, the amount that would have been sent overseas would have limited Iran's ability to use its low-enriched uranium for illicit purposes. Since that time, Iran has added to its stockpile of low-enriched uranium. Hence, to be effective, the deal would need to require a larger amount to be exported.

Although I cannot predict how the international community will react to the terms of Iran's agreement with Turkey, I don't believe the international community should accept the deal as it currently stands. If Iran is serious about addressing the issues concerning its nuclear program, it needs to increase the amount of low-enriched uranium it would export. Otherwise, it may well be seeking to exploit the advantages it gained from its production of additional low-enriched uranium to circumvent the entire purpose of the export proposal that was initially offered.

Whether an "Iran-fatigued" international community will yield on that matter remains to be seen. I hope it won't.
 
Re: Virtues of Diplomacy: Iran to send Uranium to Turkey

donsutherland1 said:
While Turkey deserves credit, there is a major problem with the deal. At the time the international community offered the deal during Autumn 2009, the 1200 kg of low-enriched uranium accounted for two-thirds of Iran's stockpile. Hence, the amount that would have been sent overseas would have limited Iran's ability to use its low-enriched uranium for illicit purposes. Since that time, Iran has added to its stockpile of low-enriched uranium. Hence, to be effective, the deal would need to require a larger amount to be exported.

Although I cannot predict how the international community will react to the terms of Iran's agreement with Turkey, I don't believe the international community should accept the deal as it currently stands. If Iran is serious about addressing the issues concerning its nuclear program, it needs to increase the amount of low-enriched uranium it would export. Otherwise, it may well be seeking to exploit the advantages it gained from its production of additional low-enriched uranium to circumvent the entire purpose of the export proposal that was initially offered.

Whether an "Iran-fatigued" international community will yield on that matter remains to be seen. I hope it won't.
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Very interesting post don. I am as you are very curious about the reaction from the international community, especially Obama.
 
Erdogan and kemalism, help me out here!?!
 
kaya'08 said:
Lool, what do you need help with? Don't you know what Kemalism is?
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I'll be the first to admit I didn't before I came to this forum. But I thought Kemalists support the CHP, not the AKP..., that's where I need some help. :mrgreen:
 
Djoop said:
I'll be the first to admit I didn't before I came to this forum. But I thought Kemalists support the CHP, not the AKP..., that's where I need some help. :mrgreen:
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Lol. Ok, im gonna give you a quick history lesson sorry if i bore you.

Ottoman Empire collapsed invaded by European powers, nationalist Ataturk:

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lead armed forces and retook Turkey, established Republic, removed caliphate, modernized both politics, economics and introduced social reforms. Turkey became leader of women rights and first fully fledged Western Muslim Majority nation.

Kemalism is secularism but is unique when compared to Western secularism in the idea that Kemalism was based on 6 main points:

- Republicanism

- Populism

- Secularism

- Politics and religion

The Kemalist form of separation of state and religion pursued the replacement of a complete set of institutions, interest groups (such as political parties, unions, lobby groups), the relationships between those institutions and the political norms and rules that govern their functions (constitution, election law).

- State and religion

According to the Kemalist perception, the Turkish state is to stand at an equal distance from every religion, neither promoting nor condemning any set of religious beliefs

- Revolutionism

- Nationalism


"Sovereignty belongs, without any restrictions or conditions, to the nation" is embossed behind the speaker's seat at the Grand National Assembly
Nationalism (Turkish: Ulusçuluk): The Kemalist revolution aimed to create a nation state (Turkish: Ulus) from the Turkish remnants of the Ottoman Empire. The meaning of Turkishness (Turkish: Türküm) is frequently misunderstood by those who fail to realize that it is not a description of ethnicity [the Turkic ethnicity] but a commitment to an 'imagined' nationhood of people living within the National Pact (Turkish: Misak-ı Milli) borders.[7] "Turkishness" (citizenship of Turkey) is the cornerstone of the Republic of Turkey.[7] Kemalist ideology defines the "Turkish People" as "those who protect and promote the moral, spiritual, cultural and humanistic values of the Turkish Nation."

The "six arrows" is symbolic of these core Kemalist beliefs:

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This is the CHP's logo.

The AKP is a political party with Islamic roots and agenda's and is an authoritarian monstrosity.

Kemalists, or at least any true kemalists, sure as hell do not support AKP!
 
EDIT: It's OK that you didnt know about this before coming to DP. American's are actually pretty surprised how little they know about how alot of European countries came to be established. Have you ever heard of Cyprus? I know many Americans have never heard of Cyprus before.
 
kaya'08 said:
EDIT: It's OK that you didnt know about this before coming to DP. American's are actually pretty surprised how little they know about how alot of European countries came to be established. Have you ever heard of Cyprus? I know many Americans have never heard of Cyprus before.
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I'm dutch!!!

Erdogan is from the AKP right? So, I don't see him as a representative for Kemalism/the kemalist state.
 
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Djoop said:
I'm dutch!!!

Erdogan is from the AKP right? So, I don't see him as a representative for Kemalism/the kemalist state.
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Oh no! :rofl

You have no excuse then! Yeah, Erdogan is AKP but Erdogan is the current Prime Minister of Turkey. He isn't really representative of Turkish ideals, no. But that doesn't mean he hasn't done things representative of Kemalism. His continued support for the EU, for example, is one thing. The Kurdish initiative is another (although the main Kemalist opposition is the fact that the "Kurdish" initiative has been ethnicized and should be extended to all minorities; Alevli's etc).
 
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kaya'08 said:
Oh no! :rofl

You have no excuse then!
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:3oops: Tell me about it.
Yeah, Erdogan is AKP but Erdogan is the current Prime Minister of Turkey. He isn't really representative of Turkish ideals, no. But that doesn't mean he hasn't done things representative of Kemalism. His continued support for the EU, for example, is one thing. The Kurdish initiative is another (although the main Kemalist opposition is the fact that the "Kurdish" initiative has been ethnicized and should be extended to all minorities; Alevli's etc).
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Thanks for clearing that up. One more question. Do you think a CHP president would have been welcomed in Iran as well?
 
kaya'08 said:
Not only is this proof of Turkey's effective foreign policy and influence in the region, but the diplomatic efforts of the Kemalist state has both potentialy ended a huge West/East rift and has also shown world powers it is far more effective in the region than anybody else. This is true sentiment to Turkey's power and diplomatic language. I applaud you AKP although i hate to admit it.

Iran inks deal to send low enriched uranium to Turkey - Hurriyet Daily News and Economic Review

This is a new era for Turkey and Brazil. It goes to show that giving diplomacy a second chance hurt nobody.[/QUOTE

Nothing but another feint in this game of Middle Eastern political Chess.

Which by the way the Iranians are undoubtedly the masters at playing.

This latest agreement is simply a variation on the ancient 3 shell game so beloved of street conmen!
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Djoop said:
Thanks for clearing that up. One more question. Do you think a CHP president would have been welcomed in Iran as well?
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That depends. Kemalism is based on working towards and becoming part of, the west. Current relations with Syria, Iran, and Iraq, for example, is exceptional compared to what they where under Kemalist rule, which actually almost bought Turkey to the brink of war with Syria twice during the 90's alone, and Iraq.

The AKP, for ideological reasons, have shifted there gaze more to the East and so have improved relations with Syria, Iraq, but relations with the US and Israel have deteriorated as a result. AKP puts ideological religious agenda's before they do rational common sense which works in the interests of the state. Loosing Israel as a strategic "soul mate" as it where under Kemalist rule has only harmed Turkey.

So if the AKP never was, no, the hypothetical ruling party would not have worked towards gaining Iranian trust like the AKP has and so no, the Iranians would not have welcomed the CHP. But i am strongly against the cosy AKP-Iranian relationship.

But, relations with neighbours have not been this good since the Ottoman days. A future CHP rule would mean a reformation of the parties own policies to not only address its interests in the West, but the East as well if it ever intends to successfully adopt a post-AKP Turkey who now has deeper economic and political ties with its neighbours none like the new Republic has had since its establishment. So...could a future CHP with a new outlook be welcomed on Iranian territory? Probably. And if not, deteriorated relations with Iran under Kemalism would be because of Israeli's becoming our good friends again, which is no problem. It will continue to serve in our strategic interests and make us an effective mediator of the Arab/jew conflict of the ME, although it would leave Brazil struggling for a deal. Even more likely is the prospects of it regaining Israeli friendship but taking an absolutely neutral stance in the region and still maintain a level of trust with Iran, which is more in Turkey's interests, for if it does not dedicate itself to finding a diplomatic solution and allow the US to embargo Iran, we will loose a lot of energy supplies from Iran and this will have a knock-on effect on the Turkish economy. The Kemalists will likely seek gaurentee's first, before it could allow such a thing to pull through as a non-permanent member of the UN security council.

Now, of course, US-Turkish relations are good, but when i say deteriorating, it did kind of strain when the Turkish parliament failed to allow the US to use Turkish territory to authorize US personnel access into Iraq.
 
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The international community has brushed off the recently-unveiled Iran-Turkey-Brazil nuclear agreement. From today's edition of The New York Times:

The Obama administration announced Tuesday morning that it has struck a deal with other major powers, including Russia and China, to impose new sanctions on Iran, a sharp repudiation of the deal Tehran offered just a day before to ship its nuclear fuel out of the country.

“We have reached agreement on a strong draft with the cooperation of both Russia and China,” Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton told a Senate committee. “We plan to circulate that draft resolution to the entire Security Council today. And let me say, Mr. Chairman, I think this announcement is as convincing an answer to the efforts undertaken in Tehran over the last few days as any we could provide.”

Major Powers Have a Deal on Sanctions for Iran, U.S. Says - NYTimes.com
 
Here is a good editorial on what I said 6 years ago; only military action to destroy the diseased, criminal regime of iran - a fascist dictatorship of thugs and murderers - would stop their nuclear weapons program. There is no negotiation with a regime of this nature, whose sole existence is predicated on terrorism and war.

Sadly, only now are people waking up to this reality:

Iran's Nuclear Coup - WSJ.com

"Full credit for this debacle goes to the Obama Administration and its hapless diplomatic strategy. Last October, nine months into its engagement with Tehran, the White House concocted a plan to transfer some of Iran's uranium stock abroad for enrichment. If the West couldn't stop Iran's program, the thinking was that maybe this scheme would delay it. The Iranians played coy, then refused to accept the offer."

Its also a clear indicator of how Obama's foreign policy is a complete failure, and that Hillary needs to be replaced. Clearly, joe biden might have many years of experience - but zero wisdom, the penultimate empty suit. He was supposed to provide veteran wisdom and experience in foreign policy matters, and has clearly not done so.

This sham of a deal has all but guaranteed an israeli strike in the coming weeks, if not days, on the illegal iranian nuclear weapons program. As been said before, well, I told you so just doesn't quite say it... :doh
 
"This announcement is as convincing an answer to the efforts undertaken in Tehran in the last few days as any that we could provide," Clinton added, repeating that Washington has many questions about the fuel swap deal.

She said major powers "are proceeding to rally the international community on behalf of a strong sanctions resolution that will, in our view, send an unmistakable message about what is expected from Iran."

However, Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi said he was encouraged by the fuel swap. His reaction suggested that world powers discussing possible new U.N. sanctions against Iran may part ways on how much weight to give Iran's offer.

"China ... expresses its welcome and appreciation for the diplomatic efforts all parties have made to positively seek an appropriate solution to the Iranian nuclear issue," Yang said, according to the Foreign Ministry website (????????????????).

Foreign Ministry spokesman Ma Zhaoxu later said his government hoped the agreement would "benefit the process of peacefully resolving the Iran nuclear issue through dialogue and negotiations."
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how many times must we watch this same miserable movie?

China: sanctions 'cannot solve' Iran nuclear issue - Worldnews.com

FT.com / Iran - China move threatens to delay Iran sanctions

China rules out new U.N. sanctions on Iran for now | Reuters

Russia's Putin warns against intimidating Iran | World | Reuters

BBC NEWS | Middle East | US and Russia diverge over Iran

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE56D1CR20090714

"as convincing an answer as any that [ms clinton] could provide" is just not very convincing
 
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This story is developing by the hour, it seems.

New Iran sanctions plan agreed, Hillary Clinton says

The major world powers have agreed on a proposal for new sanctions against Iran, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has said.

A draft resolution will be circulated at the UN Security Council for ratification, she told the US Senate.

The announcement came a day after Iran made a deal with Turkey that would see nuclear material exchanged for enriched uranium in Turkey.

The deal was similar to one proposed by the West and its allies last year.

News of Iran's deal with Turkey was coolly received by the US and its allies.

Mrs Clinton said on Tuesday that a number of unanswered questions remained about the deal.

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan called on the world to support it but said that if Iran did not ship out the uranium within one month, as agreed, then it would be on its own.

'Pressure on Iran'

"We have reached agreement on a strong draft with the co-operation of Russia and China," Mrs Clinton told the US Senate foreign relations committee after talks between the five permanent Security Council members - the US, UK, Russia, China and France - and Germany.

"We plan to circulate the draft resolution to the entire Security Council today," Mrs Clinton added.

The US and its Western allies believe Iran is trying to build a nuclear weapon, but Iran denies this.

Mrs Clinton said she had spent Tuesday morning on the phone with her Russian counterpart, Sergei Lavrov, "finalising the resolution".
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It will be interesting to see how the vote at the UNSC will go.
 
old news, reruns, movies we've already seen more often than the godfather

the draft ms hillary trumpets is the one yang and ma undercut

sorry

china and russia will NOT be on board when it comes to sanctions, the puppet master and choreographer have made it all too clear
 
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