You have no excuse then! Yeah, Erdogan is AKP but Erdogan is the current Prime Minister of Turkey. He isn't really representative of Turkish ideals, no. But that doesn't mean he hasn't done things representative of Kemalism. His continued support for the EU, for example, is one thing. The Kurdish initiative is another (although the main Kemalist opposition is the fact that the "Kurdish" initiative has been ethnicized and should be extended to all minorities; Alevli's etc).
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Thanks for clearing that up. One more question. Do you think a CHP president would have been welcomed in Iran as well?Yeah, Erdogan is AKP but Erdogan is the current Prime Minister of Turkey. He isn't really representative of Turkish ideals, no. But that doesn't mean he hasn't done things representative of Kemalism. His continued support for the EU, for example, is one thing. The Kurdish initiative is another (although the main Kemalist opposition is the fact that the "Kurdish" initiative has been ethnicized and should be extended to all minorities; Alevli's etc).
[QUOTE=kaya'08;1058752752]Not only is this proof of Turkey's effective foreign policy and influence in the region, but the diplomatic efforts of the Kemalist state has both potentialy ended a huge West/East rift and has also shown world powers it is far more effective in the region than anybody else. This is true sentiment to Turkey's power and diplomatic language. I applaud you AKP although i hate to admit it.
Iran inks deal to send low enriched uranium to Turkey - Hurriyet Daily News and Economic Review
This is a new era for Turkey and Brazil. It goes to show that giving diplomacy a second chance hurt nobody.[/QUOTE
Nothing but another feint in this game of Middle Eastern political Chess.
Which by the way the Iranians are undoubtedly the masters at playing.
This latest agreement is simply a variation on the ancient 3 shell game so beloved of street conmen!
The AKP, for ideological reasons, have shifted there gaze more to the East and so have improved relations with Syria, Iraq, but relations with the US and Israel have deteriorated as a result. AKP puts ideological religious agenda's before they do rational common sense which works in the interests of the state. Loosing Israel as a strategic "soul mate" as it where under Kemalist rule has only harmed Turkey.
So if the AKP never was, no, the hypothetical ruling party would not have worked towards gaining Iranian trust like the AKP has and so no, the Iranians would not have welcomed the CHP. But i am strongly against the cosy AKP-Iranian relationship.
But, relations with neighbours have not been this good since the Ottoman days. A future CHP rule would mean a reformation of the parties own policies to not only address its interests in the West, but the East as well if it ever intends to successfully adopt a post-AKP Turkey who now has deeper economic and political ties with its neighbours none like the new Republic has had since its establishment. So...could a future CHP with a new outlook be welcomed on Iranian territory? Probably. And if not, deteriorated relations with Iran under Kemalism would be because of Israeli's becoming our good friends again, which is no problem. It will continue to serve in our strategic interests and make us an effective mediator of the Arab/jew conflict of the ME, although it would leave Brazil struggling for a deal. Even more likely is the prospects of it regaining Israeli friendship but taking an absolutely neutral stance in the region and still maintain a level of trust with Iran, which is more in Turkey's interests, for if it does not dedicate itself to finding a diplomatic solution and allow the US to embargo Iran, we will loose a lot of energy supplies from Iran and this will have a knock-on effect on the Turkish economy. The Kemalists will likely seek gaurentee's first, before it could allow such a thing to pull through as a non-permanent member of the UN security council.
Now, of course, US-Turkish relations are good, but when i say deteriorating, it did kind of strain when the Turkish parliament failed to allow the US to use Turkish territory to authorize US personnel access into Iraq.
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The international community has brushed off the recently-unveiled Iran-Turkey-Brazil nuclear agreement. From today's edition of The New York Times:
The Obama administration announced Tuesday morning that it has struck a deal with other major powers, including Russia and China, to impose new sanctions on Iran, a sharp repudiation of the deal Tehran offered just a day before to ship its nuclear fuel out of the country.
“We have reached agreement on a strong draft with the cooperation of both Russia and China,” Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton told a Senate committee. “We plan to circulate that draft resolution to the entire Security Council today. And let me say, Mr. Chairman, I think this announcement is as convincing an answer to the efforts undertaken in Tehran over the last few days as any we could provide.”
Major Powers Have a Deal on Sanctions for Iran, U.S. Says - NYTimes.com
Here is a good editorial on what I said 6 years ago; only military action to destroy the diseased, criminal regime of iran - a fascist dictatorship of thugs and murderers - would stop their nuclear weapons program. There is no negotiation with a regime of this nature, whose sole existence is predicated on terrorism and war.
Sadly, only now are people waking up to this reality:
Iran's Nuclear Coup - WSJ.com
"Full credit for this debacle goes to the Obama Administration and its hapless diplomatic strategy. Last October, nine months into its engagement with Tehran, the White House concocted a plan to transfer some of Iran's uranium stock abroad for enrichment. If the West couldn't stop Iran's program, the thinking was that maybe this scheme would delay it. The Iranians played coy, then refused to accept the offer."
Its also a clear indicator of how Obama's foreign policy is a complete failure, and that Hillary needs to be replaced. Clearly, joe biden might have many years of experience - but zero wisdom, the penultimate empty suit. He was supposed to provide veteran wisdom and experience in foreign policy matters, and has clearly not done so.
This sham of a deal has all but guaranteed an israeli strike in the coming weeks, if not days, on the illegal iranian nuclear weapons program. As been said before, well, I told you so just doesn't quite say it...
how many times must we watch this same miserable movie?"This announcement is as convincing an answer to the efforts undertaken in Tehran in the last few days as any that we could provide," Clinton added, repeating that Washington has many questions about the fuel swap deal.
She said major powers "are proceeding to rally the international community on behalf of a strong sanctions resolution that will, in our view, send an unmistakable message about what is expected from Iran."
However, Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi said he was encouraged by the fuel swap. His reaction suggested that world powers discussing possible new U.N. sanctions against Iran may part ways on how much weight to give Iran's offer.
"China ... expresses its welcome and appreciation for the diplomatic efforts all parties have made to positively seek an appropriate solution to the Iranian nuclear issue," Yang said, according to the Foreign Ministry website (????????????????).
Foreign Ministry spokesman Ma Zhaoxu later said his government hoped the agreement would "benefit the process of peacefully resolving the Iran nuclear issue through dialogue and negotiations."
China: sanctions 'cannot solve' Iran nuclear issue - Worldnews.com
FT.com / Iran - China move threatens to delay Iran sanctions
China rules out new U.N. sanctions on Iran for now | Reuters
Russia's Putin warns against intimidating Iran | World | Reuters
BBC NEWS | Middle East | US and Russia diverge over Iran
"as convincing an answer as any that [ms clinton] could provide" is just not very convincing
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This story is developing by the hour, it seems.
New Iran sanctions plan agreed, Hillary Clinton says
The major world powers have agreed on a proposal for new sanctions against Iran, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has said.
A draft resolution will be circulated at the UN Security Council for ratification, she told the US Senate.
The announcement came a day after Iran made a deal with Turkey that would see nuclear material exchanged for enriched uranium in Turkey.
The deal was similar to one proposed by the West and its allies last year.
News of Iran's deal with Turkey was coolly received by the US and its allies.
Mrs Clinton said on Tuesday that a number of unanswered questions remained about the deal.
Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan called on the world to support it but said that if Iran did not ship out the uranium within one month, as agreed, then it would be on its own.
'Pressure on Iran'
"We have reached agreement on a strong draft with the co-operation of Russia and China," Mrs Clinton told the US Senate foreign relations committee after talks between the five permanent Security Council members - the US, UK, Russia, China and France - and Germany.
"We plan to circulate the draft resolution to the entire Security Council today," Mrs Clinton added.
The US and its Western allies believe Iran is trying to build a nuclear weapon, but Iran denies this.
Mrs Clinton said she had spent Tuesday morning on the phone with her Russian counterpart, Sergei Lavrov, "finalising the resolution".
It will be interesting to see how the vote at the UNSC will go.
old news, reruns, movies we've already seen more often than the godfather
the draft ms hillary trumpets is the one yang and ma undercut
china and russia will NOT be on board when it comes to sanctions, the puppet master and choreographer have made it all too clear