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    Studentís Arrest Tests Immigration Policy

    Student?s Arrest Tests Immigration Policy - NYTimes.com

    Jessica Colotl, a 21-year-old college student and illegal Mexican immigrant at the center of a contentious immigration case, surrendered to a Georgia sheriff on Friday but continued to deny wrongdoing. Ms. Colotl was arrested in March for driving without a license and could face deportation next year. On Wednesday the sheriff filed a felony charge against her for providing a false address to the police.

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    ďI never thought that Iíd be caught up in this messed-up system,Ē Ms. Colotl said Friday at a news conference after being released on $2,500 bail. ďI was treated like a criminal, like a threat to the nation.Ē Civil rights groups say Ms. Colotl should be spared deportation because she was brought to the United States without legal documents by her parents at age 11. They also note that she has excelled academically and was discovered to be here illegally only after a routine traffic violation.
    While it's certainly nice that this woman has managed to attend a few years of college, how does that change the fact that she's here illegally? Should we put a clause in the immigration law saying that illegals will not be deported so long as they're hard-working? The prevalence of emotional reasoning in this country is just depressing.

    In Georgia, the case has become intensely political. Ms. Colotl received in-state tuition, substantially reducing her cost of attending Kennesaw State. The university will charge her out-of-state rates in the future, but Republican politicians are calling for new legislation to make attendance more expensive, or impossible, for illegal immigrants.

    One Republican candidate for governor, Eric Johnson, has said that if elected he will mandate that all college applicants demonstrate their citizenship. The chancellor of the state university system says that would be prohibitively expensive, costing $1.5 million, for roughly 300,000 students.
    You've got to be kidding me. The chancellor claims that they couldn't possibly enforce a citizenship requirement, because it would cost $5/student. Given that Ms. Colotl alone bilked over $30k from the state coffers, that seems a little ridiculous.
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    Re: Studentís Arrest Tests Immigration Policy

    Throw her in jail, then bus her to Mexico.
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    Re: Studentís Arrest Tests Immigration Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    While it's certainly nice that this woman has managed to attend a few years of college, how does that change the fact that she's here illegally? Should we put a clause in the immigration law saying that illegals will not be deported so long as they're hard-working?
    A probationary citizenship program that allows people to work towards a citizenship I think would work best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    A probationary citizenship program that allows people to work towards a citizenship I think would work best.
    And as a formal policy suggestion going forward, that's fine. What I take issue with are the arguments that even though the law clearly says she should be deported, the government should ignore the law in her case because she's such a nice person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    And as a formal policy suggestion going forward, that's fine. What I take issue with are the arguments that even though the law clearly says she should be deported, the government should ignore the law in her case because she's such a nice person.
    I simply fail to see what deporting someone who is clearly trying to be a productive member of our society will do. She's going to school to get an education and get a good job, why should she be disavowed the opportunity to do so simply because she doesn't have the right paperwork?

    If this was someone who was scamming people or skating by without contributing, I could see the point. But to me, this seems like cutting off your nose to spite your face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    I simply fail to see what deporting someone who is clearly trying to be a productive member of our society will do. She's going to school to get an education and get a good job, why should she be disavowed the opportunity to do so simply because she doesn't have the right paperwork?

    If this was someone who was scamming people or skating by without contributing, I could see the point. But to me, this seems like cutting off your nose to spite your face.
    Because that's how the rule of law works - we don't create special exceptions on the spot for people simply because they sound nice.

    If Congress wants to amend our immigration laws to say that people who are attending college can stay, they're free to do that. Until they do so, it's absurd to argue that we should engage in extralegal case-by-case balancing tests to determine whether or not each person is handled according to the law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Because that's how the rule of law works - we don't create special exceptions on the spot for people simply because they sound nice.
    It's not that she "sounds nice" it's that she's a productive and positive member of our society that actually contributes something. In that she's head and shoulders above probably thousands of people who were BORN here.

    If Congress wants to amend our immigration laws to say that people who are attending college can stay, they're free to do that. Until they do so, it's absurd to argue that we should engage in extralegal case-by-case balancing tests to determine whether or not each person is handled according to the law.
    Zero-tolerance polices almost always end up a mess. The law needs to be flexible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    It's not that she "sounds nice" it's that she's a productive and positive member of our society that actually contributes something. In that she's head and shoulders above probably thousands of people who were BORN here.
    By "actually contributes something," you mean "attended Kennesaw state for three years while accepting $30k in state taxpayer subsidies and driving without a license"?

    Zero-tolerance polices almost always end up a mess. The law needs to be flexible.
    So ask Congress to change the law to be more flexible. Don't argue that the authorities should start conducing their own completely unauthorized analysis of whether each illegal immigrant is productive enough to warrant ignoring the law in their case.

    Again, this is not about what the law should be. It's about whether it's appropriate to argue that enforcement agencies should ignore the law whenever they feel like it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Throw her in jail, then bus her to Mexico.
    Waste taxpayer dollars keeping her in jail? Really?
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    Re: Studentís Arrest Tests Immigration Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    By "actually contributes something," you mean "attended Kennesaw state for three years while accepting $30k in state taxpayer subsidies and driving without a license"?
    I accept public grants and scholarships to attend school, so what?

    So ask Congress to change the law to be more flexible. Don't argue that the authorities should start conducing their own completely unauthorized analysis of whether each illegal immigrant is productive enough to warrant ignoring the law in their case.

    Again, this is not about what the law should be. It's about whether it's appropriate to argue that enforcement agencies should ignore the law whenever they feel like it.
    Im saying that this case highlights a glaring flaw in our immigration policy when we're tossing out people who are trying to be productive members of our society.
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