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    Re: Studentís Arrest Tests Immigration Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    It's not that she "sounds nice" it's that she's a productive and positive member of our society that actually contributes something. In that she's head and shoulders above probably thousands of people who were BORN here.
    No she is not. She stole a position that could have been given to a productive and positive us citizen.

    And no she is neither productive nor positive for our society. She stole our money and ignored our laws. That's hardly productive or positive.

    Zero-tolerance polices almost always end up a mess. The law needs to be flexible.
    You mean only enforce the laws we like based on personal morality? I dont think so.
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    Re: Studentís Arrest Tests Immigration Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Student?s Arrest Tests Immigration Policy - NYTimes.com



    While it's certainly nice that this woman has managed to attend a few years of college, how does that change the fact that she's here illegally? Should we put a clause in the immigration law saying that illegals will not be deported so long as they're hard-working? The prevalence of emotional reasoning in this country is just depressing.



    You've got to be kidding me. The chancellor claims that they couldn't possibly enforce a citizenship requirement, because it would cost $5/student. Given that Ms. Colotl alone bilked over $30k from the state coffers, that seems a little ridiculous.
    I do not see what the controversy is.If she is an illegal then she should be deported.Hopefully she serves time for those other offenses and the illegal immigration offense before she is deported. The fact she is in college is irrelevant,seeing how she is not a citizen nor has a legal right to be in this country just means she stole that from an American citizen.
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    Re: Studentís Arrest Tests Immigration Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Throw her in jail, then bus her to Mexico.
    Funny, that's not what the new Arizona law proposes when processing illegals - nor is it what Federal code mandates.
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    Re: Studentís Arrest Tests Immigration Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    So do I. My acceptance of those public monies is not in and of itself a contribution to society. I don't understand how you think that her decision to attend college on the public dollar means that she's automatically made a positive contribution to society.



    And once again, that's a reason to amend the law. Not a reason to start creating case by case exceptions whenever a heartrending story hits the paper.



    She was a minor, so it was her parents that committed the particular crime of bringing her across the border. She herself committed several more, such as driving without a license and fraudulently obtaining funds from the state.



    Most states explicitly require that students seeking in-state status be lawful US residents. Georgia, her state, says this:



    She clearly lied on her paperwork, obtaining over $30k in state funds fraudulently.



    No one is prosecuted merely for committing the "crime" of crossing the border illegally, they're deported via an administrative hearing. That applies to everyone, regardless of age.

    Again, GA is not planning on putting her in jail for crossing the border at age 11. GA is planning on prosecuting her for violating state laws, and then the federal government is planning on deporting her.
    Okay, thanks for the point-by-point...but what the hell do you expect someone to do if they were brought her illegally as a minor.

    What do want them to do personally.

    They're not criminals as children, so what do YOU want them to do when they turn 18?

    That's what I'm asking here. What do you expect them to do practically as human beings.

    And, I'm sorry - if she gave them the address where she was residing, then the whole in-state vs. out-of-state thing is ****ing ridiculous. Regardless of legality, if she gave police the address where she was residing, to charge her with a felony for reporting a false address is just draconian. What address was she supposed to give them? A random address in Mexico that she hadn't been to since she was 10 years old?

    I'm not asking for a legal perspective from you. I'm asking what YOU would have children do when they've been brought here by their parents.

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    Re: Studentís Arrest Tests Immigration Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    I simply fail to see what deporting someone who is clearly trying to be a productive member of our society will do. She's going to school to get an education and get a good job, why should she be disavowed the opportunity to do so simply because she doesn't have the right paperwork?

    If this was someone who was scamming people or skating by without contributing, I could see the point. But to me, this seems like cutting off your nose to spite your face.
    Well we either follow the law or we strike down the law, we can't have both because how then would we apply the law fairly. One either violates the law or doesn't, so we either have a law or we don't.

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    Re: Studentís Arrest Tests Immigration Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    I'm not asking for a legal perspective from you. I'm asking what YOU would have children do when they've been brought here by their parents.
    This falls under the same argument as "would you steal, if you were starving?" Yes, the person would steal, however, they would also have to accept the consequences if caught.

    The answer to your specific question that you asked is, I wouldn't have expected her to leave the country of her own free will.

    However, as a college student who has obviously had some education of U.S. law, she shouldn't be surprised that she might have to serve some time and eventually be deported when caught though.

    She took a risk and committed a crime by not coming forward when she turned 18 that she was illegal. Even though her parents were the ones that brought her, she committed the crime by continuing it even though she knew she was illegal.

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    Re: Studentís Arrest Tests Immigration Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    This falls under the same argument as "would you steal, if you were starving?" Yes, the person would steal, however, they would also have to accept the consequences if caught.

    The answer to your specific question that you asked is, I wouldn't have expected her to leave the country of her own free will.

    However, as a college student who has obviously had some education of U.S. law, she shouldn't be surprised that she might have to serve some time and eventually be deported when caught though.

    She took a risk and committed a crime by not coming forward when she turned 18 that she was illegal. Even though her parents were the ones that brought her, she committed the crime by continuing it even though she knew she was illegal.
    Thanks. I appreciate that, but what should a seemingly intelligent (based on the description of her academic success) person do? It seems to me that she likely would have become a productive member of society.

    Should those who were brought here as minors have some path to legal citizenship as long as they come forward - say within six months of their 18th birthday?

    Admittedly, she broke the law and those who are rabidly anti-illegal are all thrilled to toss her back across the border - but humanistically, what are the children supposed to do?

    That's what I'm seeking.

    Sorry if I have sympathy for someone who was essentially forced into this position by actions taken by their parents when they were children.

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    Re: Studentís Arrest Tests Immigration Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    She was a minor, so it was her parents that committed the particular crime of bringing her across the border. She herself committed several more, such as driving without a license and fraudulently obtaining funds from the state.
    This is the whole of it to me. Her parents committed the original crime, but she is an adult, she has continued to commit crimes. I am not going to waste time feeling bad for people who willingly break our laws.
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    Re: Studentís Arrest Tests Immigration Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by mikhail View Post
    Besides anything hasnt she been driving without a licence? Im sure everyone would be fne if she plowed into the back of them.
    As long as she didn't have insurance...

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    Re: Studentís Arrest Tests Immigration Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    I accept public grants and scholarships to attend school, so what?
    You're here legally.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Im saying that this case highlights a glaring flaw in our immigration policy when we're tossing out people who are trying to be productive members of our society.
    The law is the law. If she can prove her parents brought her here legally, she can stay; Otherwise, she needs to leave the country and immigrate legally.

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