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    Re: Studentís Arrest Tests Immigration Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    Waste taxpayer dollars keeping her in jail? Really?
    Yes. She earned the time, we should oblige her.
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    Re: Studentís Arrest Tests Immigration Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Because that's how the rule of law works - we don't create special exceptions on the spot for people simply because they sound nice.

    If Congress wants to amend our immigration laws to say that people who are attending college can stay, they're free to do that. Until they do so, it's absurd to argue that we should engage in extralegal case-by-case balancing tests to determine whether or not each person is handled according to the law.
    But what about people who were dragged across the border as a minor?

    Did she commit the crime? Or did her parents?

    Clearly, as an adult she became aware of the issues that she would face - but what do you recommend for someone who is here as a minor, who is (by all accounts) a good student, and whose biggest crime was driving without a license. With regards to the charge of providing a false address and getting in-state tuition: if she was providing the address of where she resided, how is that a false address?

    I'm not making an accusation, but the piece didn't seem to address that point. Most colleges recognize you as in-state as long as you've lived there for a year, so if she's lived there since 11, I don't see those charges as valid.

    Again, my concern here is that she didn't illegally cross the border of her own free will. If you accept that charge, then the prosecutor would need to seek charges against all minors here illegally as adults.

    You can argue that she began breaking the law on her 18th birthday; and I'd buy that legally. I find that to be a bit cruel, though - since she'd been here for seven years at that point.

    I'm just asking what your point of view is on minors who cannot - by definition - have broken the law of their own free will.

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    Re: Studentís Arrest Tests Immigration Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    I accept public grants and scholarships to attend school, so what?
    Your parents and you also pay taxes.

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    Re: Studentís Arrest Tests Immigration Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Your parents and you also pay taxes.
    What makes you think she didnt?
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    Re: Studentís Arrest Tests Immigration Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    Waste taxpayer dollars keeping her in jail? Really?
    Just until the bus is ready to take her to the border.
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    Re: Studentís Arrest Tests Immigration Policy

    Besides anything hasnt she been driving without a licence? Im sure everyone would be fne if she plowed into the back of them.
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    Re: Studentís Arrest Tests Immigration Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post

    Im saying that this case highlights a glaring flaw in our immigration policy when we're tossing out people who are trying to be productive members of our society.
    Wrong. This case is an attempt to uphold a comprehensive, but mostly ignored federal immigration policy... that should, and does enrage those that jumped through beaureucratic hoops to attain citizenship legally...
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    Re: Studentís Arrest Tests Immigration Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    What makes you think she didnt?
    You can't get a job without a social security number unless she was working under the table in which case she was, also, guilty of tax evasion or if she used a fake social security number in which she is guilty of fraud.
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    Re: Studentís Arrest Tests Immigration Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    I accept public grants and scholarships to attend school, so what?
    So do I. My acceptance of those public monies is not in and of itself a contribution to society. I don't understand how you think that her decision to attend college on the public dollar means that she's automatically made a positive contribution to society.

    Im saying that this case highlights a glaring flaw in our immigration policy when we're tossing out people who are trying to be productive members of our society.
    And once again, that's a reason to amend the law. Not a reason to start creating case by case exceptions whenever a heartrending story hits the paper.

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    But what about people who were dragged across the border as a minor?

    Did she commit the crime? Or did her parents?
    She was a minor, so it was her parents that committed the particular crime of bringing her across the border. She herself committed several more, such as driving without a license and fraudulently obtaining funds from the state.

    Clearly, as an adult she became aware of the issues that she would face - but what do you recommend for someone who is here as a minor, who is (by all accounts) a good student, and whose biggest crime was driving without a license. With regards to the charge of providing a false address and getting in-state tuition: if she was providing the address of where she resided, how is that a false address?

    I'm not making an accusation, but the piece didn't seem to address that point. Most colleges recognize you as in-state as long as you've lived there for a year, so if she's lived there since 11, I don't see those charges as valid.
    Most states explicitly require that students seeking in-state status be lawful US residents. Georgia, her state, says this:

    Non-U.S. Citizens

    Non-U.S. citizens are only eligible for in-state residency if they are lawful permanent residents as documented by the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service or have been granted a visa in an eligible category. F-1 student visas are not eligible. These students must still provide documentation of in-state residency for the twelve-month period prior to the start of the term.
    She clearly lied on her paperwork, obtaining over $30k in state funds fraudulently.

    Again, my concern here is that she didn't illegally cross the border of her own free will. If you accept that charge, then the prosecutor would need to seek charges against all minors here illegally as adults.

    You can argue that she began breaking the law on her 18th birthday; and I'd buy that legally. I find that to be a bit cruel, though - since she'd been here for seven years at that point.

    I'm just asking what your point of view is on minors who cannot - by definition - have broken the law of their own free will.
    No one is prosecuted merely for committing the "crime" of crossing the border illegally, they're deported via an administrative hearing. That applies to everyone, regardless of age.

    Again, GA is not planning on putting her in jail for crossing the border at age 11. GA is planning on prosecuting her for violating state laws, and then the federal government is planning on deporting her.
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    Re: Studentís Arrest Tests Immigration Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    A probationary citizenship program that allows people to work towards a citizenship I think would work best.
    No thats called Amnesty. Its rewarding someone who broke the law getting here and was well aware of it before she stole 30k in our money let alone the state and government services she stole before then.
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