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    U.S. Approval of Killing of Cleric Causes Unease

    WASHINGTON ó The Obama administrationís decision to authorize the killing by the Central Intelligence Agency of a terrorism suspect who is an American citizen ...

    The notion that the government can, in effect, execute one of its own citizens far from a combat zone, with no judicial process and based on secret intelligence...
    Oh, how rich.

    Team Obi finds water boarding repulsive, but assassination acceptable.

    Nice little ethical box Obi and his trons have to play with.

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    Re: U.S. Approval of Killing of Cleric Causes Unease

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Oh, how rich.

    Team Obi finds water boarding repulsive, but assassination acceptable.

    Nice little ethical box Obi and his trons have to play with.

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    Under the Laws of War and the U.S. Constitution, there is no ethical dilemma. Combatants can be targeted as military objectives. That a person is a U.S. citizen does not render him immune from his being a military objective. The individual in question is carrying out a command-and-control function and is properly a military objective.

    In the end, even as some raise questions about the executive order, the U.S. Supreme Court is not likely to reverse it. It may even choose not to hear any cases on the issue unless there are some new issues beyond the individual's being a U.S. citizen, as the matter whether U.S. citizens can be targeted when they serve as enemy combatants is settled law.

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    Re: U.S. Approval of Killing of Cleric Causes Unease

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Under the Laws of War and the U.S. Constitution, there is no ethical dilemma. Combatants can be targeted as military objectives. That a person is a U.S. citizen does not render him immune from his being a military objective. The individual in question is carrying out a command-and-control function and is properly a military objective.

    In the end, even as some raise questions about the executive order, the U.S. Supreme Court is not likely to reverse it. It may even choose not to hear any cases on the issue unless there are some new issues beyond the individual's being a U.S. citizen, as the matter whether U.S. citizens can be targeted when they serve as enemy combatants is settled law.
    Agreed. It's just the way things are done.

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    Re: U.S. Approval of Killing of Cleric Causes Unease

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Under the Laws of War and the U.S. Constitution, there is no ethical dilemma. Combatants can be targeted as military objectives. That a person is a U.S. citizen does not render him immune from his being a military objective. The individual in question is carrying out a command-and-control function and is properly a military objective.

    In the end, even as some raise questions about the executive order, the U.S. Supreme Court is not likely to reverse it. It may even choose not to hear any cases on the issue unless there are some new issues beyond the individual's being a U.S. citizen, as the matter whether U.S. citizens can be targeted when they serve as enemy combatants is settled law.
    I have no problem with it.

    My point is, waterboarding isn't torture but the left saw it as the equal of Mengele's behavior. We have that history, and now we have a targeted assassination of an American citizen abroad and it is ignored by the same individuals.

    Just look at the outrage by the leftists in this thread... LOL.

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    Re: U.S. Approval of Killing of Cleric Causes Unease

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Under the Laws of War and the U.S. Constitution,
    REALLY???!!!

    Amendment V - Trial and Punishment, Compensation for Takings.

    No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
    Amendment 14 - Citizenship Rights.

    1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
    Section 3 - Treason Note

    Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

    The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.
    I have no problem assassinating alien unlawful combatants or denying them Habeas Corpus in civilian court but when it comes to U.S. citizens I have a huge ****ing problem with it.
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    Re: U.S. Approval of Killing of Cleric Causes Unease

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Oh, how rich.

    Team Obi finds water boarding repulsive, but assassination acceptable.

    Nice little ethical box Obi and his trons have to play with.

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    Sometimes you can reach too far for something that isnt there. There is nothing unethical about taking out a terrorist...regardless of his country of birth.

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    Re: U.S. Approval of Killing of Cleric Causes Unease

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Sometimes you can reach too far for something that isnt there. There is nothing unethical about taking out a terrorist...regardless of his country of birth.
    There's nothing unethical about the U.S. government executing a U.S. citizen without due process? RU you freaking kidding me???!!!

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    Re: U.S. Approval of Killing of Cleric Causes Unease

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    There's nothing unethical about the U.S. government executing a U.S. citizen without due process? RU you freaking kidding me???!!!
    not when that citizen is in a foreign country advocating the violent overthrow of the US.

    Ask yourself a simple question...if it were a conservative president doing it wouod you be equally 'outraged'? I somehow doubt it.

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    Re: U.S. Approval of Killing of Cleric Causes Unease

    I have the belief that if an American leaves US soil and sides with the enemy against the US then he is no longer a US citizen . Therefore he is free game just as much as Osama Bin Laden or any other terrorist is.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: U.S. Approval of Killing of Cleric Causes Unease

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I have the belief that if an American leaves US soil and sides with the enemy against the US then he is no longer a US citizen . Therefore he is free game just as much as Osama Bin Laden or any other terrorist is.
    Yes, but how do you prove he IS siding with the enemy, if not through due process? When it comes to assassinating US citizens, shouldn't we have more than just the president's say-so?
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