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    Re: U.S. Approval of Killing of Cleric Causes Unease

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    Expect anyone will say anything under torture to stop that torture.
    They're not trying to get a confession, coercive interrogation can work under controlled conditions. There are ways to insure that they are feeding you true information eg by asking them questions that you already know the answer to along with questions that you don't know the answers to.

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    Re: U.S. Approval of Killing of Cleric Causes Unease

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    Expect anyone will say anything under torture to stop that torture.
    First, "torture" as you call it is not something where you use it once. It's done over a long period of time and the information gathered is verified. Sure they'll say anything but when that "anything" doesn't check out, it's repeated over, and over, and over.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: U.S. Approval of Killing of Cleric Causes Unease

    So I can not quote a founding father, if I don't believe in everything he stood for? No we have not had any good, or valuable successes with waterboarding name one please.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6130165.ece

    Even the Cia has said their is no proof that it stop any terrorist attacks.
    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2009/04/2...echniques.html

    [nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TEfi8mjAzo"]YouTube- No proof torture stopped terror attacks[/nomedia]
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    Re: U.S. Approval of Killing of Cleric Causes Unease

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    So I can not quote a founding father, if I don't believe in everything he stood for? No we have not had any good, or valuable successes with weatherboarding name one please.

    September 11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed 'waterboarded 183 times' - Times Online

    CIA official: No proof harsh techniques stopped terror attacks | McClatchy
    The easiest and most widely known: KSM.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: U.S. Approval of Killing of Cleric Causes Unease

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    So I can not quote a founding father, if I don't believe in everything he stood for? No we have not had any good, or valuable successes with weatherboarding name one please.
    Quote away.

    I think it is hilarious you would quote Franklin because I don't think he believed much of anything you believe. That's why you were asked if you believed the welfare state should be dismantled systematically?

    Hot Air Bombshell: ABC independently confirms success of CIA “torture” tactics
    Brian Ross, ABC News Reporter interviewed.

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    Re: U.S. Approval of Killing of Cleric Causes Unease

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Quote away.

    I think it is hilarious you would quote Franklin because I don't think he believed much of anything you believe. That's why you were asked if you believed the welfare state should be dismantled systematically?

    Hot Air Bombshell: ABC independently confirms success of CIA “torture” tactics
    Brian Ross, ABC News Reporter interviewed.

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    You gave me one source, and I gave you something from the Freaking CIA.


    I can't respect a man for his opinion even thought that I don't believe in everything he stood for? What a blind hack you are Zimmer!
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    Re: U.S. Approval of Killing of Cleric Causes Unease

    This is why I have absolutely no faith in the Constitution as anything more than something people hide behind when it suits them. The same people who would support our government blowing the citizen of another country simply because he's been declared a terrorist are up in arms about a confirmed American terrorist being blown up. What? Do the basic rights granted to all men by their creator only apply if you're lucky enough to be born here? I guess so.

    Where were all these people when parts of the Patriot Act were struck down? Where were all these people when the Bush administration was trying to justify wiretapping American citizens? But we bomb one Americana-born camel jockey who we can verify as having helped plan various terrorist plots and all the sudden you're up in arms about it? Spare me for not really caring at this point in history who bombs terrorists anymore as long as the job is done.

    **** him. He made his bed. He forfeited his American citizenship by declaring himself an enemy of the state and then carrying out acts against it. Let him sleep in that bed. Permanently.
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    Re: U.S. Approval of Killing of Cleric Causes Unease

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    So as a Libertarian you believe the government should have the authority to convict a U.S. citizen of a capital offense without a trial by jury?
    Are you SERIOUSLY this ****ing slow? YES...I PERSONALLY BELIEVE that when any assclown decides to leave our fair shores and take up residence in another land and plots volent acts against this country ala terrorism, then by all means...I WANT my government to go all gansta on his ass. YES! YES! have you got it yet? Or would you care to ask yet ANOTHER redundant question?

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    Re: U.S. Approval of Killing of Cleric Causes Unease

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Strange.
    I never denied that.
    Only pointed out lefties screamed about waterboarding and they are silent about this.

    Seems odd doesn't it?
    Nobody died from waterboarding.

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    Actually had you said "why are the lefties so quiet when it comes to this-why do they blanket support Obama when they blanket condemned Bush for the same things" I wouldnt have said a word to the post.

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    Re: U.S. Approval of Killing of Cleric Causes Unease

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    YouTube- Watch Christopher Hitchens Get Waterboarded (VANITY FAIR)


    The whole point of weatherboarding is torture, and this is the same type of reason that lead to the topic we are talking about now. Those who give up liberty for security deserve neither Ben Franklin.
    Well aside from the fact that that quote comes from a book which Franklin published but denies having written you completely messed up the quote, Franklin was supposed to have said: "essential liberty...for a little temporary safety."


    The domestic and international definitions of torture are subjective since they use the word "severe" as a qualifier for mental and physical pain, I don't consider water boarding to be severe, you may consider it to be severe, however, that's the point, it's subjective and thus completely meaningless. What we need is a strict concrete lists of interrogation techniques which can and can not be used.

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