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    Re: U.S. Approval of Killing of Cleric Causes Unease

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    So being in a foreign country dictates that the citizen is no longer entitled to due process? I can understand if the guy gets shot during a firefight or blown up in an attack on an AQ or Taliban base camp, but to go out and target specific individual U.S. citizens for assassination is quite another story.



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    Auuuyup...Id say thats the point where I side with the Obama administration...

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    Re: U.S. Approval of Killing of Cleric Causes Unease

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    not when that citizen is in a foreign country advocating the violent overthrow of the US.

    Ask yourself a simple question...if it were a conservative president doing it wouod you be equally 'outraged'? I somehow doubt it.
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    Re: U.S. Approval of Killing of Cleric Causes Unease

    Assassination is acceptable in the time of war, if I am not mistaken.

    However waterboarding is torture via the International law by the UN.


    Hell even a Conservative Talk show host said it was Torture. He lasted about six seconds which he stated he could last a lot longer.Mancow Waterboarded, Now Agrees It's Torture (Video)

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    Re: U.S. Approval of Killing of Cleric Causes Unease

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Auuuyup...Id say thats the point where I side with the Obama administration...
    And under what ratio decidendi do you base that conclusion? To my knowledge there is absolutely 0 stare decisis to back up that conclusion.

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    Re: U.S. Approval of Killing of Cleric Causes Unease

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    Assassination is acceptable in the time of war, if I am not mistaken.
    The execution of U.S. citizens by the U.S. government is never legal under the U.S. Constitution without due process. A person can only be convicted of treason under very specific conditions.

    However waterboarding is torture via the International law by the UN.
    Actually no under both the U.N.Convention Against Torture, as well as, under domestic statute 18 U.S.C. § 2340, the definition of torture is completely subjective in that in both cases it is defined with the qualifier of "severe" mental or physical pain. Severe for some may not be severe for others, I consider being forced to listen to rap music to cause severe mental pain. Subjectivity has no place in a law; such as, this, there needs to be a strict set of interrogation techniques that can and can not be allowed.


    Hell even a Conservative Talk show host said it was Torture. He lasted about six seconds which he stated he could last a lot longer.Mancow Waterboarded, Now Agrees It's Torture (Video)

    A) Have you ever even listened to the Mancow show? He's a shock jock not a right wing talking head.

    B) Well if Mancow says it then I guess it must be true.
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    Re: U.S. Approval of Killing of Cleric Causes Unease

    I'd say that the man should be given a trial in his absence and the assassination should only be authorized if he is found guilty. Ideally he would be brought back for a trial, but that isn't practical under the circumstances. While not having the defendant present in court isn't great, it would still act as check against presidential abuse. Its crucial that evidence be presented before American citizens can be killed on government order.

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    Re: U.S. Approval of Killing of Cleric Causes Unease

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    I'd say that the man should be given a trial in his absence and the assassination should only be authorized if he is found guilty. Ideally he would be brought back for a trial, but that isn't practical under the circumstances. While not having the defendant present in court isn't great, it would still act as check against presidential abuse. Its crucial that evidence be presented before American citizens can be killed on government order.
    A trial in absentia would be a perfectly acceptable compromise.

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    Re: U.S. Approval of Killing of Cleric Causes Unease

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    And under what ratio decidendi do you base that conclusion? To my knowledge there is absolutely 0 stare decisis to back up that conclusion.
    sigh...

    well..until Im elected to some high fallutin office, what Im going to give you is my OPINION...and in MY OPINION..the second some American assclown steps into another country and starts plotting against THIS country they just became a target (by choice).

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    Re: U.S. Approval of Killing of Cleric Causes Unease

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    sigh...

    well..until Im elected to some high fallutin office, what Im going to give you is my OPINION...and in MY OPINION..the second some American assclown steps into another country and starts plotting against THIS country they just became a target (by choice).
    Question: Who determines which persons are plotting against this country and what stops them from making that same determination about you?
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    Re: U.S. Approval of Killing of Cleric Causes Unease

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    sigh...

    well..until Im elected to some high fallutin office, what Im going to give you is my OPINION...and in MY OPINION..the second some American assclown steps into another country and starts plotting against THIS country they just became a target (by choice).
    So in other words you have no legal basis whatsoever to deny a citizen his Constitutional rights for simply stepping onto foreign soil. Gotcha.

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