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    Re: U.S. Approval of Killing of Cleric Causes Unease

    ethics are for eagle scouts

    meanwhile, the politics of this are poisonous

    mutallab must be mirandized, ksm must go on judge judy, a court order must ok a wiretap...

    but a new mexican born madman can be murdered in his yemeni bedroom, just like that

    by DRONE

    this instance of intrinsic incoherence is just like the no bid to halliburton, the non closure of gitmo, the ESCALATION of afghanistan even tho the enemy is largely in pakistan---our amateurish administration is coming to appreciate the awesome distinctions between campaigning, ie, cheap posturing, and governance

    the first is easy, the latter---IN TIMES LIKE THESE---requires REAL ABILITY

    obama and holder and brennan and napolitano, et al, simply are not UP TO IT, as pretty much all, by now, can see

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    Re: U.S. Approval of Killing of Cleric Causes Unease

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    if it were a conservative president doing it would you be equally 'outraged'?
    if we had a conservative president his or her policy would be coherent, it would hang together and make sense

    it wouldn't be ad libbed, fly by night, impromptu, half baked and amateurish

    it would be adult, responsible

    THIS gullible group, in contrast, when it comes to iran has NO policy

    concerning the cartels, SQUAT

    chinese currency, sanctions, korea, palestinian peace---we are leaderless

    syria is now sidling up to the ex soviets

    UPDATE 1-Russia says eyes atomic energy cooperation with Syria | Reuters

    dc's answer---silence

    we're spiraling into chaos, the falcon cannot hear the dumbfounded falconer

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    Re: U.S. Approval of Killing of Cleric Causes Unease

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Oh, how rich.

    Team Obi finds water boarding repulsive, but assassination acceptable.

    Nice little ethical box Obi and his trons have to play with.

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    "conservative" says it all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    if we had a conservative president his or her policy would be coherent, it would hang together and make sense

    it wouldn't be ad libbed, fly by night, impromptu, half baked and amateurish

    it would be adult, responsible

    THIS gullible group, in contrast, when it comes to iran has NO policy

    concerning the cartels, SQUAT

    chinese currency, sanctions, korea, palestinian peace---we are leaderless

    syria is now sidling up to the ex soviets

    UPDATE 1-Russia says eyes atomic energy cooperation with Syria | Reuters

    dc's answer---silence

    we're spiraling into chaos, the falcon cannot hear the dumbfounded falconer
    OK...and Im not arguing that his policy is coherent or even well thought out...but if Im going to bang on liberals for their tendency to shift and now embrace everything Obama does even tho they hated Bush and everything he did, then I have to alos point it out when conservative minded folks do.

    Maybe it would be more effective to point out the people making and embracing the polcy...not banging on the policy...one which by your own words would be acceptable if it was part of a cohesive policy that made sense.

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    Re: U.S. Approval of Killing of Cleric Causes Unease

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    I have no problem with it.

    My point is, waterboarding isn't torture but the left saw it as the equal of Mengele's behavior. We have that history, and now we have a targeted assassination of an American citizen abroad and it is ignored by the same individuals.

    Just look at the outrage by the leftists in this thread... LOL.

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    A man(regardless of politics) should be able to determine that waterboarding is a form of torture, this should not be the American way.
    Are we not better than that?
    This has nothing to do with left, right, inner or outer.
    If you think it does; then how does this sound??
    The conservatives favor torture and the liberals do not....
    Tell this to your children.

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    Re: U.S. Approval of Killing of Cleric Causes Unease

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    The conservatives favor torture and the liberals do not....
    and obama EXECUTES the ASSASSINATION of american CITIZENS deprived of DUE PROCESS

    (but nigerians must be mirandized and 9-11 authors must go before the likes of lance ito in lower manhattan)

    tell the kids THAT, even THEY'LL see the absurdity
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    when's that meeting with the leaders of iran gonna go down, sans preconditions?

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    Re: U.S. Approval of Killing of Cleric Causes Unease

    Thank God the Bush administration had the time, the patriotism and the fortitude to make the sacrifices to provide that "coherent" structure to deal with this war because the current bunch are far from capable of doing anything coherent! I mean Napolitano as head of Homeland Security?! What an incredible insult to the Coast Guard and all the other agencies pulled under that unbrella. Holder... what a joke and a racist to boot. I'm grateful that the President is finally apparently noticing and appreciating the Bush administration viewpoint. Maybe there is hope and he isn't trying to destroy the country.

    If a US citizen is in an enemy camp and aiding and abetting the enemy he is definitely a legitimate target and should be taken out as with haste. However, if that same citizen is on US soil he should be arrested and dealt with as a traitor and then killed. Treason is a capital crime.
    I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.--Thomas Jefferson

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    Re: U.S. Approval of Killing of Cleric Causes Unease

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    not when that citizen is in a foreign country advocating the violent overthrow of the US.
    So being in a foreign country dictates that the citizen is no longer entitled to due process? I can understand if the guy gets shot during a firefight or blown up in an attack on an AQ or Taliban base camp, but to go out and target specific individual U.S. citizens for assassination is quite another story.

    Ask yourself a simple question...if it were a conservative president doing it wouod you be equally 'outraged'? I somehow doubt it.
    I'm an anarchist not a conservative.

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    Re: U.S. Approval of Killing of Cleric Causes Unease

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I have the belief that if an American leaves US soil and sides with the enemy against the US then he is no longer a US citizen . Therefore he is free game just as much as Osama Bin Laden or any other terrorist is.
    But here's the problem, if there's no due process then how can we determine for sure that he has sided with the enemy? Perhaps he/she is being threatened into cooperation with the enemy. By your standards it would have been fine and dandy to target U.S. POWs in Vietnam who were tortured into making videos denouncing the U.S. and promoting the cause of the VC. Without due process it is impossible to know beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are in fact guilty of treason.

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