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    Re: Drug Czar admits the drug war is a failure.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Hmmm...Seems like this sentiment could be applied to the so called "War on Poverty" as well could it not?


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    Agreed. Let the states handle that, too.

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    Re: Drug Czar admits the drug war is a failure.

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    AP IMPACT: US drug war has met none of its goals - Yahoo! News

    Of course, many of us have been saying this for decades and already knew it was true, but it's nice to see the world catching up. The line from the article that sums it all up:
    Well, when the FBI / CIA have been CAUGHT MANY TIMES over the years shipping the drugs INTO america while other agents are out busting the petty nickle-and-dime dealers rather then focusing on this within their ranks working against the cause....

    Is it really a wonder why the drug war is at best a fraud?

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    Re: Drug Czar admits the drug war is a failure.

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Well, when the FBI / CIA have been CAUGHT MANY TIMES over the years shipping the drugs INTO america while other agents are out busting the petty nickle-and-dime dealers rather then focusing on this within their ranks working against the cause....

    Is it really a wonder why the drug war is at best a fraud?
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    Re: Drug Czar admits the drug war is a failure.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Hmmm...Seems like this sentiment could be applied to the so called "War on Poverty" as well could it not?


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    war on poverty, war on terrorism, war on obesity...

    Hell, its been some time since america's actually engaged in a 'war' whose advertised outcome has been anything close to a victory...

    Sure, we've all but won the war in Iraq, and afghanistan, but the underlying 'war on terrorism' cannot conceivably succeed.

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    Re: Drug Czar admits the drug war is a failure.

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    After we cease the war on drugs and legalize the stuff - maybe next we can finally admit that this whole "police force" thing was a mistake as well. Crime has only gotten worse and we've created a big problem in having people dependent on others for their protection. Hell, we've been trying to "fight crime" in this country for 100's of years and it's STILL here? WTF? Stupid Americans never learn the lessons of history!

    If you cannot defeat crime, there are only two choices: keep wasting money on a futile civilian police force, or just let people be people.

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    Re: Drug Czar admits the drug war is a failure.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The main reason that hardcore drugs are such a threat to the population is BECAUSE they're illegal. If they were legal, you wouldn't have the black market and all the associated violence. You could also prevent at least SOME of the deaths due to overdoses, because people wouldn't have to rely on a criminal to supply their drugs and they'd know exactly how much they were getting.
    There is no world in which someone can safely use methamphetamine.

    I have no problem with legalizing marijuana, but legalization of cocaine, crack, methamphetamine, rohypnol, ecstasy and heroin should not happen, in my opinion.

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    Re: Drug Czar admits the drug war is a failure.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    There is no world in which someone can safely use methamphetamine.

    I have no problem with legalizing marijuana, but legalization of cocaine, crack, methamphetamine, rohypnol, ecstasy and heroin should not happen, in my opinion.
    You act as if the current laws are having any effect on these hard drugs. Since people still use them quite frequently, they're obviously not working.

    Do you think a statistically significant portion of new people would start using in the event they were legalized? I don't know why you would think that.

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    Re: Drug Czar admits the drug war is a failure.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    There is no world in which someone can safely use methamphetamine.
    Making it illegal doesn't make it go away. It just drives it underground and makes it more dangerous. If it was legal, then A) you could at least *mitigate* the danger of using the drug, and B) you could completely *eliminate* the danger of buying/selling the drug or being around someone who does.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux
    I have no problem with legalizing marijuana, but legalization of cocaine, crack, methamphetamine, rohypnol, ecstasy and heroin should not happen, in my opinion.
    This, of course, is predicated on the assumption that dangerous things must be banned and that fewer people will be in danger if they are banned. I see absolutely no evidence for that assumption...and in fact, I see overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
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    Re: Drug Czar admits the drug war is a failure.

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    war on poverty, war on terrorism, war on obesity...

    Hell, its been some time since america's actually engaged in a 'war' whose advertised outcome has been anything close to a victory...

    Sure, we've all but won the war in Iraq, and afghanistan, but the underlying 'war on terrorism' cannot conceivably succeed.

    It must succeed. There isn't a choice in that matter to anyone that understands what a caliphate is in Islam, or to anyone that knows about, and understands Twelver mindset.

    I would agree that Terrorism from radical sects of Islam are a bastardization of the religion, but but only slightly. Islam is a violent religion that believes that it is proper to subjugate people, and thrust their belief by force if necessary. It is that which we are fighting. Remember we didn't start this.


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    Re: Drug Czar admits the drug war is a failure.

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I think we need to get other countries to help participate. May of these countries that have people smuggling drugs into America don't take the war on drugs seriously. They aren't holding up their end. I have mixed feelings about legalizing marijuana, but we should certainly keep hard drugs illegal (like crack and heroine). Our laws are strict enough when it comes to punishing drug abusers so I wouldn't say increasing punishments would solve the issue, in fact they should lessen the punishments and have them pay a massive fine (to maybe help offset the cost for the war on drugs). If anything we should get foreign governments to do their part in preventing smugglers from leaving their country, and we should be offering deals to drug users to give info on who dealers are so we can catch them. Hopefully little by little we will put dents in it here and there by arresting known dealers and working with foreign governments.
    That's not going to work either. For one, those countries don't have the tax revenue to pay for the law enforcement needed to do the War on Drugs as much as the U.S. does. That means that not only do the drug cartels pay their enforcers better than the government pays their law enforcement, it also means that law enforcement officers and politicians are easily corruptible by taking bribes from the drug cartels.

    For another, many countries such as those in South America and especially Afghanistan only have "drug agriculture" as their major cash crop. They don't grow marijuana and poppies because they want to grow them - they grow those things because they're the only things they can grow to sell.

    And it doesn't matter what kind of deals an informant makes with the government when a cartel can send a hitman anywhere in the world, whether it be in prison or out of prison, to make an example of a snitch by giving a Colombian necktie as a present.

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