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    Re: Drug Czar admits the drug war is a failure.

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    AP IMPACT: US drug war has met none of its goals - Yahoo! News

    Of course, many of us have been saying this for decades and already knew it was true, but it's nice to see the world catching up. The line from the article that sums it all up:
    It's like they never heard of prohibition and how well that worked.
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    Re: Drug Czar admits the drug war is a failure.

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I think we need to get other countries to help participate. May of these countries that have people smuggling drugs into America don't take the war on drugs seriously. They aren't holding up their end. I have mixed feelings about legalizing marijuana, but we should certainly keep hard drugs illegal (like crack and heroine). Our laws are strict enough when it comes to punishing drug abusers so I wouldn't say increasing punishments would solve the issue, in fact they should lessen the punishments and have them pay a massive fine (to maybe help offset the cost for the war on drugs). If anything we should get foreign governments to do their part in preventing smugglers from leaving their country, and we should be offering deals to drug users to give info on who dealers are so we can catch them. Hopefully little by little we will put dents in it here and there by arresting known dealers and working with foreign governments.
    The blame for our drug problem lies nowhere other than right here at home. We shoved this entire prohibition scheme onto the rest of the world, and we are the largest consumers of drugs.

    Foreign governments do their part and moire.. they even let us invade and poison their land, and allow us to have OUR manpower there. demand trumps their best efforts as well as ours.

    A lot of what you have suggested in your post is already reality. We have been trying to put dents "little by little" for 40 years, drugs are cheaper, purer, more readily available, and more widely used than when we started.

    We also have added to the original international drug treaty (The Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs) and added a follow up treaty that in theory addressed the smuggling and international trade issue. demand trumps all of our efforts, so long as that remains, then the black market will never be eradicated, no matter how much international cooperation and treaties there may be

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Convention_Against_Illicit_Traffic_ in_Narcotic_Drugs_and_Psychotropic_Substances]United Nations Convention Against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and Psychotropic Substances - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
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    Re: Drug Czar admits the drug war is a failure.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    It's like they never heard of prohibition and how well that worked.
    Americans are particularly bad at learning the lessons of history. It's always like it never happened!

    They banned alcohol, made the Mob incredibly powerful, then had to create a huge department to fight the Mob they made so powerful to begin with. It's the same with the War on Drugs. We ban drugs, which instantly makes them expensive. That drives people into the game because profits are so large. Those people want to protect their freedom and money, so they have to turn to violence. We then create an entire enforcement agency to fight the very people we created in the first place. Brilliant!
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    Re: Drug Czar admits the drug war is a failure.

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I think we need to get other countries to help participate. May of these countries that have people smuggling drugs into America don't take the war on drugs seriously.
    Of maybe they know it's our problem and our fault. Further, they don't have the resources to spend billions on a war that can never be won. Sounds like they are far smarter than we are. It appears after they ram their heads against a wall a few times they realize the wall will not come down. We just keep ramming away.
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    Re: Drug Czar admits the drug war is a failure.

    After we cease the war on drugs and legalize the stuff - maybe next we can finally admit that this whole "police force" thing was a mistake as well. Crime has only gotten worse and we've created a big problem in having people dependent on others for their protection. Hell, we've been trying to "fight crime" in this country for 100's of years and it's STILL here? WTF? Stupid Americans never learn the lessons of history!

    If you cannot defeat crime, there are only two choices: keep wasting money on a futile civilian police force, or just let people be people.

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    Re: Drug Czar admits the drug war is a failure.

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    After we cease the war on drugs and legalize the stuff - maybe next we can finally admit that this whole "police force" thing was a mistake as well. Crime has only gotten worse and we've created a big problem in having people dependent on others for their protection. Hell, we've been trying to "fight crime" in this country for 100's of years and it's STILL here? WTF? Stupid Americans never learn the lessons of history!
    They could do a far better job fighting actual crime if they stopped trying so hard to fight non-crimes. Apparently the difference between violating the rights of another and not doing so escapes your notice. You must work for the government.
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    Re: Drug Czar admits the drug war is a failure.

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    Apparently the difference between violating the rights of another and not doing so escapes your notice.
    Of course not. Protecting oneself is your individual responsibility - the government has utterly failed to stop crime. It's just wasted money.

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    Re: Drug Czar admits the drug war is a failure.

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    They could do a far better job fighting actual crime if they stopped trying so hard to fight non-crimes.
    Haha! What a foolish thing to say. Reminds me of the people who think we can change the strategy on drugs to be more effective.

    We all know there are only two options. Keep fighting and wasting money or leave people alone.

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    Re: Drug Czar admits the drug war is a failure.

    Funny thing is is that in the 60's before this whole drug war and before our policing agencies started paying so much attention to chasing drug crimes, not only was the murder rate much lower.. but they also solved 90% of them.

    A great graph..note the correlation between prohibition policies (1920-1933, and 1970-present) and the murder rate.



    If there is a murderer in town and you catch him, the murders stop. You have a drug dealer in town and you catch him and a new one takes over (and perhaps in the process adds to the town collection of unsolved murders)
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    Re: Drug Czar admits the drug war is a failure.

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