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    Re: Holder Hasn't Read AZ Law He Criticized

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Based on what, the Washington Time spin on one statement...

    You do realize he's not the only lawyer at the DOJ.
    Yeah, he's just the AG. No authority at all

    Incorrect. False. More b.s. spin... They are reviewing the law to see if it may violate federal laws...

    Get your facts straight before you open your mouth... I think I've told you that before, do you ever plan on doing it?
    Thanks for once again showing us your lack of gathering the facts before shooting your mouth off.

    He ADMITTED he hasn't read the law.

    [nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U4tI_qzyH0"]YouTube- C-SPAN Ted Poe questions Eric Holder Arizona Immigration Law[/nomedia]



    Check out at 41 seconds in. He's asked the question "HAVE YOU READ THE LAW" He ADMITS he hasn't.

    But no shock you didn't check your facts. Just business as usual for you.

    Enjoy your utter and epic fail.

    ah, you serve your masters well.... mindlessly repeating mindless talking points... Good, boy!
    I know how to watch a video. Its a shame you haven't learned to actually check your facts out before making moronic statements that are completely untrue.
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    Re: Holder Hasn't Read AZ Law He Criticized

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    It's good to know that you guys have read in full every law that you've criticized on these forums. It's also good to know that all criticism from the posters in this thread of laws that Obama and the democratic Congress pass in the coming years will be coming from people who have read the bills or laws before posting. Having such thorough, non-hypocritical posters is a boon to this message board
    This isn't the health care bill.

    Its 10 pages long. You'd think the AG of the United States wouldn't be this stupid.
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    Re: Holder Hasn't Read AZ Law He Criticized

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    He ADMITTED he hasn't read the law.
    Is there an echo in here??

    yes. I got it. We got it. We got that you think that means something....

    Let me tell you a secret....

    The managing partner of a big New York law firm doesn't read everything coming out of the San Jose office...

    It's a STATE LAW. There MAY BE a federal issue. He has PEOPLE (other Lawyer) looking into it.



    You know, it's difficult to have conversation with you as you don't really understand what an AJ does.... or a President....

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    Re: Holder Hasn't Read AZ Law He Criticized

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    It's good to know that you guys have read in full every law that you've criticized on these forums. It's also good to know that all criticism from the posters in this thread of laws that Obama and the democratic Congress pass in the coming years will be coming from people who have read the bills or laws before posting. Having such thorough, non-hypocritical posters is a boon to this message board
    You might have a point,but we are not lawmakers(whose job it is to read the bills before voting for them) or AGs(who plans to sue over it) and besides that Arizona's HB 1070? Arizona's bill is a 11-12 page bill, so even someone with the shortest attention span can read it.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Holder Hasn't Read AZ Law He Criticized

    I don't have to slog through hundreds and hundreds of pages to know that the healthcare reform bill was crap. The contents of the controversial parts of the law are well known, and it is completely reasonable to form an opinion without sitting down and reading the text, as the portions that people feel strongly about are national news. Add in the fact that the uproar over the AZ law centered around a single phrase, which was widely printed, and I don't think it's wrong for Holder to criticize the bill without reading through the 9 1/2 pages of mundane, noncontroversial text that surrounded it.

    Does his not having read the following paragraph really have an impact on the validity of his opinon?

    11 A. An employer shall not knowingly employ an unauthorized alien. If,
    12 in the case when an employer uses a contract, subcontract or other
    13 independent contractor agreement to obtain the labor of an alien in this
    14 state, the employer knowingly contracts with an unauthorized alien or with a
    15 person who employs or contracts with an unauthorized alien to perform the
    16 labor, the employer violates this subsection.
    Is there any section of the law that you believe would have impacted his opinion had he read it? I'd love to see a quote
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    Re: Holder Hasn't Read AZ Law He Criticized

    first, it was, ksm will never be released, essentially preconvting, just like nixon did manson

    'Heads I Win, Tails You Lose': In 9/11 Case, KSM Won't Walk Free Even If Found Not Guilty - Declassified Blog - Newsweek.com

    then, it's "failure is not an option"

    pressed today in house judiciary the addled ag attempted to clear things up:

    “Maybe I can clear this up once and for all,” Holder said. “When I said failure is not an option, that was not a prediction about the course of the trial. It was from my perspective an exhortation [in] the way in which a coach talks to his players and tells them, you guys got to go out there and win this game, because failure is not an option. And that's what I was saying.”
    it's no PREDICTION

    no, he's VINCE LOMBARDI!

    "what the HELL's going on out there, everybody grabbin, grabbin!"

    LOL!

    what a doofus

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    Re: Holder Hasn't Read AZ Law He Criticized

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Is there an echo in here??

    yes. I got it. We got it. We got that you think that means something....
    Then just admit you once again didn't check your facts and mouthed off your partisan dribble before you verified anything you were claiming.

    Let me tell you a secret....

    The managing partner of a big New York law firm doesn't read everything coming out of the San Jose office...
    Let me tell you a little secret. If he is going to go on television and hasn't read a 10 page document he is going to criticize he's a moron who should never have become a managing partner.

    It's a STATE LAW. There MAY BE a federal issue. He has PEOPLE (other Lawyer) looking into it.
    10 pages hazlnut.

    10 pages. Thats it. And he was stupid enough to criticize it before he actually knew the facts.

    Is that where you get it from?

    You know, it's difficult to have conversation with you as you don't really understand what an AJ does.... or a President....
    I understand common sense. Perhaps you should look into it. If you are going to criticize a law, how about reading it first? Novel approach huh.

    Quit while you're behind Hazel. Its not going to get any easier.
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    Re: Holder Hasn't Read AZ Law He Criticized

    he goes TODAY before THE HOUSE and he has his people LOOKING INTO IT!

    LOL!

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    Re: Holder Hasn't Read AZ Law He Criticized

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I feel like a broken record:

    They never read ANY bill - no matter WHAT. Bill reading is not in their repertoire. They have attendees and other staff who read portions, summarize, and then report.
    Call me traditional, but maybe that's the problem. They need to read it for themselves.


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    Re: Holder Hasn't Read AZ Law He Criticized

    Does anybody think that it's important to read this section before deciding whether the part that people believe legalizes racial profiling is constitutional?

    On a finding of a violation of subsection A of this section:
    1. For a first violation, as described in paragraph 3 of this subsection, the court shall:
    (a) Order the employer to terminate the employment of all unauthorized aliens.
    (b) Order the employer to be subject to a five year probationary period for the business location where the unauthorized alien performed work. During the probationary period the employer shall file quarterly reports in the form provided in section 23-722.01 with the county attorney of each new employee who is hired by the employer at the business location where the unauthorized alien performed work.
    (c) Order the appropriate agencies to suspend all licenses described in subdivision (d) of this paragraph that are held by the employer for a minimum of ten days. The court shall base its decision on the length of the suspension under this subdivision on any evidence or information submitted to it during the action for a violation of this subsection and shall consider the following factors, if relevant:
    How about this?

    The attorney general shall maintain copies of court orders that are 40 received pursuant to subsection F of this section and shall maintain a 41 database of the employers and business locations that have a first violation 42 of subsection A of this section and make the court orders available on the 43 attorney general's website.
    This part?

    14 1. "Economic development incentive" means any grant, loan or 15 performance-based incentive from any government entity that is awarded after 16 September 30, 2008. Economic development incentive does not include any tax 17 provision under title 42 or 43.
    18 2. "Government entity" means this state and any political subdivision 19 of this state that receives and uses tax revenues. 20 C. Every three months the attorney general shall request from the 21 United States department of homeland security a list of employers from this 22 state that are registered with the e-verify program. On receipt of the list 23 of employers, the attorney general shall make the list available on the 24 attorney general's website.
    This?

    THE GANG AND IMMIGRATION INTELLIGENCE TEAM ENFORCEMENT MISSION FUND IS ESTABLISHED CONSISTING OF MONIES DEPOSITED PURSUANT TO SECTION 11-1051 AND MONIES APPROPRIATED BY THE LEGISLATURE. THE DEPARTMENT SHALL ADMINISTER THE FUND. MONIES IN THE FUND ARE SUBJECT TO LEGISLATIVE APPROPRIATION AND SHALL BE USED FOR GANG AND IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT AND FOR COUNTY JAIL REIMBURSEMENT COSTS RELATING TO ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.
    Sec. 11. Severability, implementation and construction
    A. If a provision of this act or its application to any person or circumstance is held invalid, the invalidity does not affect other provisions or applications of the act that can be given effect without the invalid provision or application, and to this end the provisions of this act are severable.
    Surely reading this part would change Holder's mind

    IN ADDITION TO ANY OTHER PENALTY PRESCRIBED BY LAW, THE COURT SHALL ORDER THE PERSON TO PAY JAIL COSTS AND AN ADDITIONAL ASSESSMENT IN THE FOLLOWING AMOUNTS:
    1. AT LEAST FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR A FIRST VIOLATION.
    2. TWICE THE AMOUNT SPECIFIED IN PARAGRAPH 1 OF THIS SUBSECTION IF THE PERSON WAS PREVIOUSLY SUBJECT TO AN ASSESSMENT PURSUANT TO THIS SUBSECTION. E. A COURT SHALL COLLECT THE ASSESSMENTS PRESCRIBED IN SUBSECTION D OF THIS SECTION AND REMIT THE ASSESSMENTS TO THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY, WHICH SHALL ESTABLISH A SPECIAL SUBACCOUNT FOR THE MONIES IN THE ACCOUNT ESTABLISHED FOR THE GANG AND IMMIGRATION INTELLIGENCE TEAM ENFORCEMENT MISSION APPROPRIATION. MONIES IN THE SPECIAL SUBACCOUNT ARE SUBJECT TO LEGISLATIVE APPROPRIATION FOR DISTRIBUTION FOR GANG AND IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT AND FOR COUNTY JAIL REIMBURSEMENT COSTS RELATING TO ILLEGAL
    IMMIGRATION.
    Or maybe it's 15 pages of completely mundane legislation and a half a sentence that can be construed as unconstitutional

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