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    Re: Los Angeles to boycott Arizona over immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    You don't need to carry an ID with you all the time. If you are an immigrant you do. If you are driving then you need it while driving. But just walking down the street, you don't need it. Don't commit a crime and you won't need it. Commit a crime and don't have your ID on you? They'll try to figure out who you are there.
    Just to fine that up a bit..... if you fit the description of someone suspected of committing a crime and the police stop you and ask for ID, you best be able to prove who you are or you will be entertained at the local lockup until they have a chance to run your prints. No prints you say?...... bummmerrrrr. You ain't going nowhere until they know who you are. Period, exclamation point, dot.

    And they have 72 hours to do it in, so no real hurry.
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    Re: Los Angeles to boycott Arizona over immigration law

    California has this on the books. someone should ask LA city council if they ever think about following the law. Seems the pot is calling the kettle black.

    Calif. Penal Code Sec. 834b
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    834b. (a) Every law enforcement agency in California shall fully cooperate with the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service regarding any person who is arrested if he or she is suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws.

    (b) With respect to any such person who is arrested, and suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws, every law enforcement agency shall do the following:

    (1) Attempt to verify the legal status of such person as a citizen of the United States, an alien lawfully admitted as a permanent resident, an alien lawfully admitted for a temporary period of time or as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of immigration laws. The verification process may include, but shall not be limited to, questioning the person regarding his or her date and place of birth, and entry into the United States, and demanding documentation to indicate his or her legal status.

    (2) Notify the person of his or her apparent status as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws and inform him or her that, apart from any criminal justice proceedings, he or she must either obtain legal status or leave the United States.

    (3) Notify the Attorney General of California and the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service of the apparent illegal status and provide any additional information that may be requested by any other public entity.

    (c) Any legislative, administrative, or other action by a city, county, or other legally authorized local governmental entity with jurisdictional boundaries, or by a law enforcement agency, to prevent or limit the cooperation required by subdivision (a) is expressly prohibited.
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    Re: Los Angeles to boycott Arizona over immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    California has this on the books. someone should ask LA city council if they ever think about following the law. Seems the pot is calling the kettle black.

    Calif. Penal Code Sec. 834b
    Click the above link to look the code section up for yourself

    834b. (a) Every law enforcement agency in California shall fully cooperate with the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service regarding any person who is arrested if he or she is suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws.

    (b) With respect to any such person who is arrested, and suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws, every law enforcement agency shall do the following:

    (1) Attempt to verify the legal status of such person as a citizen of the United States, an alien lawfully admitted as a permanent resident, an alien lawfully admitted for a temporary period of time or as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of immigration laws. The verification process may include, but shall not be limited to, questioning the person regarding his or her date and place of birth, and entry into the United States, and demanding documentation to indicate his or her legal status.

    (2) Notify the person of his or her apparent status as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws and inform him or her that, apart from any criminal justice proceedings, he or she must either obtain legal status or leave the United States.

    (3) Notify the Attorney General of California and the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service of the apparent illegal status and provide any additional information that may be requested by any other public entity.

    (c) Any legislative, administrative, or other action by a city, county, or other legally authorized local governmental entity with jurisdictional boundaries, or by a law enforcement agency, to prevent or limit the cooperation required by subdivision (a) is expressly prohibited.

    Actually they do enforce it. ICE is very active in the Los Angeles County Jail.

    The difference is, this applies to people who have actually been ARRESTED for a crime.
    The Arizona law is much more far reaching and doesn't require the "probable cause" that is required to effect an arrest.
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    Re: Los Angeles to boycott Arizona over immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The Arizona law is much more far reaching and doesn't require the "probable cause" that is required to effect an arrest.
    How does it not?!

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    Re: Los Angeles to boycott Arizona over immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Actually they do enforce it. ICE is very active in the Los Angeles County Jail.

    The difference is, this applies to people who have actually been ARRESTED for a crime.
    The Arizona law is much more far reaching and doesn't require the "probable cause" that is required to effect an arrest.
    Wrong. LE cannot stop just anyone. The person must first be seen/caught for someother offense (speeding, public drunkeness, etc). And even then, LE must have some reason to suspect the person is illegal (no driver license, cant' communicate in english). Don't believe all the hype in the news. Read the law.
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    Re: Los Angeles to boycott Arizona over immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    How does it not?!
    The Arizona law does not require an arrest before they are allowed to search for identifying information.

    The Arizona only requires "reasonable suspicion" which is required to justify a detention.

    The reason why many believe that the Arizona law may not withstand Constitutional challenge is that the 4th Amendment does not allow a search absent probable cause.
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    Re: Los Angeles to boycott Arizona over immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Wrong. LE cannot stop just anyone. The person must first be seen/caught for someother offense (speeding, public drunkeness, etc). And even then, LE must have some reason to suspect the person is illegal (no driver license, cant' communicate in english). Don't believe all the hype in the news. Read the law.
    I have read the law. There is no requirement that they be stopped for some other offense.
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    Re: Los Angeles to boycott Arizona over immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The Arizona law does not require an arrest before they are allowed to search for identifying information.

    The Arizona only requires "reasonable suspicion" which is required to justify a detention.

    The reason why many believe that the Arizona law may not withstand Constitutional challenge is that the 4th Amendment does not allow a search absent probable cause.
    No, the person must be in the act of committing another crime recognized in Arizona besides this one.

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    Re: Los Angeles to boycott Arizona over immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I have read the law. There is no requirement that they be stopped for some other offense.
    You are aware that the law has been amended, haven't you? And you are aware that there are different versions of the law, right?

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    Re: Los Angeles to boycott Arizona over immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    No, the person must be in the act of committing another crime recognized in Arizona besides this one.
    No. Perhaps that is what Fox News wants people to believe. That is untrue. There is no requirement that the person be committing a crime in Arizona.
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