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    Re: Los Angeles to boycott Arizona over immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    He is talking about Article 8, section B of the SB1070 (the immigration bill) that states:



    Fourth Amendment:
    Unless the searches involved in these stops are unreasonable, there's no need for a warrant. Furthermore, you don't need a warrant to arrest people in all cases.
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    Re: Los Angeles to boycott Arizona over immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    He is talking about Article 8, section B of the SB1070 (the immigration bill) that states:



    Fourth Amendment:


    why are there even borders if you believe this?


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    Re: Los Angeles to boycott Arizona over immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Unless the searches involved in these stops are unreasonable, there's no need for a warrant. Furthermore, you don't need a warrant to arrest people in all cases.
    I agree, but it is this part of the bill (that I quoted) that I am more concerned about:

    ... IF THE OFFICER HAS PROBABLE CAUSE TO BELIEVE THAT THE PERSON HAS COMMITTED ANY PUBLIC OFFENSE THAT MAKES THE PERSON REMOVABLE FROM THE UNITED STATES.
    I see no possible way this can be enforced without employing racial profiling.

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    Re: Los Angeles to boycott Arizona over immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    why are there even borders if you believe this?


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    Let's see... I believe I quoted part of the Arizona immigration bill. Then I quoted the Fourth Amendment of the US Constitution.

    I'm trying to find out what you got from that to make you take such a giant leap to go on about borders.

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    Re: Los Angeles to boycott Arizona over immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    I agree, but it is this part of the bill (that I quoted) that I am more concerned about:



    I see no possible way this can be enforced without employing racial profiling.
    Here's the argument for it:

    Arizona Lawmaker Explains Anti-Illegal Immigrant Law - The Two-Way - Breaking News, Analysis Blog : NPR

    Police officers can't stop anybody and say "Are you here legally?" and question them about their immigration status. Under this law the police officer must have reasonable suspicion to believe the person's here illegally. And this will almost always only occur after the person has been lawfully stopped for some other offense, maybe it could be a traffic offense.

    So a police officer pulls over somebody who maybe rolls through a stop sign, walks up and says "License and registration."

    The individual says "Well, I don't have a driver's license on me."

    The officer says "Well, why not?"

    Driver says: "It's suspended."

    "Well what's your name and date of birth?"

    Gives it. The officer goes to his radio. Checks the records because you can cross check licensing information. Discovers there is no such issued license. Goes back to the driver.

    "Hey, there's no license issued in your name. What do you mean suspended?"

    "Oh, ahh, well, uhh I don't have an Arizona license. It's a Mexican license, I came from there."

    "Oh. When did you come? How'd you get here legally? Where'd you go to get the form? Did they give you paperwork? Do you have documents? Oh. you have a green card. What color is that card? Green? Well, you know green cards aren't green."

    That's how you build up reasonable suspicion. Police officers, when there are independent observable facts that just create suspicion, all that allows us is a brief questioning about immigration status.

    During the questioning, the police officer is going to look for lies, conflicting answers or he may look for evasive answers. And as the person gives those and as he observes other things, each response is another grain of sand. And it goes on a scale.

    And the stop occurred because there was reasonable suspicion.
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    Re: Los Angeles to boycott Arizona over immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Vic Mango View Post
    The reason I, a former illegal alien, have a problem with this law is because it is unnecessary . Why cant Arizona use existing federal law to do the same thing they are doing now? Why have the same law twice. Why alienate 99% of the hispanic population and many of our african-american and caucasian friends for a bull**** law. Instead repeal this piece of **** law and work within existing law or better yet comprehensive immigration reform and border security. No, Arizona, this is not the way to do it.
    Uh, no offense Dude, but your statement proves the law is necessary. You broke the law and apparently got away with it. That's exactly what they're trying to stop.

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    Re: Los Angeles to boycott Arizona over immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Think about what you're saying here:

    1) The law is completely unconstitutional because it violates my rights by giving the police all sorts of powers they didn't have before

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    2) The law is completely pointless because the police could already do this before.
    No, he's saying "If this law had been in place when I was illegal, I and my illegal buddies wouldn't have been able to get away with it, therefore it's wrong, wrong, wrong!"

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    Re: Los Angeles to boycott Arizona over immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    Illegals have a $1bn yearly impact on Arizona. Let's see what it does to Arizona's slow growing, recession hit economy.
    When we don't have to pay the billion dollars in social services any more, that should greatly effect our economy, and for the better.
    Last edited by cholla; 05-13-10 at 08:58 AM.

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    Re: Los Angeles to boycott Arizona over immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    He is talking about Article 8, section B of the SB1070 (the immigration bill) that states:



    Fourth Amendment:
    And that differs from the (federal) INS responding to an anonymous tip...how?

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    Re: Los Angeles to boycott Arizona over immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    What?

    Anyone who takes 5 minutes to read the law can understand exactly what it provides for. Absolutely nothing in the law allows a police officer to "summarily deport" anyone. That's not how deportation works. The law allows police officers to detain people with reasonable cause, and if they are unable to produce any identification, they can be turned over to federal officials who make the decisions from there. State officials have never been involved in deportation and this law isn't changing that. This is very basic stuff.

    Considering that neither you nor your representative understands anything about the bill, I'm not giving much credence to your collective outrage.
    emphasis is mine (bold)

    We have never in the history of the USA had to "produce identification" when requested. We are free to not carry papers in this country. If you want to deport illegals, find another way.

    Yes, I am aware of a driver having to show a license. Most illegals do not drive.
    Last edited by d0gbreath; 05-13-10 at 09:34 AM.
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