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    Re: Arizona gov. signs bill targeting ethnic studies

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    No, it's the school's job to present a cohesive look at history in history classes. However, very few schools examine the history of native peoples, Chicanos, or Asians in the U.S. So, until the history of ALL Americans is told, this is the best option.

    Do the school's English classes read books by non-white authors? RARELY. Do the school's history classes talk about much apart from Euro history? RARELY. Why is that? Is it because only the accomplishments of white people are important?
    All of which I can agree with you on. But don't create seperate classes; rather, teach it within the context of the whole.

    This is how racism breeds, getting a teacher to teach the history (and agenda) of a particular GROUP as seperate from other Americans.

    My kids are half white, half Hispanic, so I can relate to you. They have the advantages of an affluent life, but we don't talk about our family as "mixed", we just talk about it as a family. Mom's ethnicity is Hispanic, and she's fluent in Spanish. So what, that's really cool.

    I don't want my kids associating or empathizing with any "movement" or "cause" built around their ethnicity. I want them to concentrate on who they are as our kids, their teacher's students, their coach's athletes, their friends' friends, and their community's citizens, and nothing more.

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    Re: Arizona gov. signs bill targeting ethnic studies

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I don't see anything wrong with this law, in fact I like it. I think it helps move America towards being American, not towards African-American, Mexican-American, White-American, etc. We should be one America of many races. I think this law is good, if only the Arizona government was the Federal Government
    People who write things like this ^ have little to no understanding of the cultural history of this country.

    Hyphenation and keeping cultural traditions is not new to Mexican immigrants and African-Americans.

    During the 18th and early 19th centuries Italian-Americans, Swedish-Americans, Irish-Americans all did similar things. Over the years, the ties to their ethnic heritage have thinned out. But in our history it is very common for there to be hyphenated ethnic churches, ballclubs, dance groups, neighborhood associations. The only difference, it was white skin rather than brown skin. Perhaps it is that distinction that is the true root of people's outrage here.
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    Re: Arizona gov. signs bill targeting ethnic studies

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    People who write things like this ^ have little to no understanding of the cultural history of this country.

    Hyphenation and keeping cultural traditions is not new to Mexican immigrants and African-Americans.

    During the 18th and early 19th centuries Italian-Americans, Swedish-Americans, Irish-Americans all did similar things. Over the years, the ties to their ethnic heritage have thinned out. But in our history it is very common for there to be hyphenated ethnic churches, ballclubs, dance groups, neighborhood associations. The only difference, it was white skin rather than brown skin. Perhaps it is that distinction that is the true root of people's outrage here.
    99.5 percent of African-Americans have never stepped foot in Africa. That is the problem people have with it.

    I don't think of LeBron James as African in any way. He's an American, the same as me.

    My ancestors are from Holland. I don't see a Dutch-American space on the list of options.

    Just be a freaking American, and we can ALL move forward. These delineations just feed the fires of racial tension, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT THE SHARPTONS, JACKSONS, AND OBAMAS WANT!! It is for their political gain that these distinctions be kept alive and deep-rooted.

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    Re: Arizona gov. signs bill targeting ethnic studies

    One of the things I found interesting reading through the thread very few talked about the role parents/family have in teaching "roots". I do not understand why people want schools to do everthing. Teach my kid to manage a home budget, teach my kid about why they should be proud (whatever), teach my kid sex education. You are either an American or not. No English-American, African-American, German-American, Mexican-American. We are a melting pot for sure. But we should be one people.

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    Re: Arizona gov. signs bill targeting ethnic studies

    Quote Originally Posted by Vic Mango View Post
    Keep poking the hornet's nest Arizona.
    Yeah - so we can get on with the oncoming war that's slowly churning because I'm sick of this entire issue and the fact that many American's aren't even touched by it and have no thought on illegals or otherwise.

    We need a good fight on our soil to knock people off their "as long as it's not on OUR land" view of all sorts of issues.
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    Re: Arizona gov. signs bill targeting ethnic studies

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    This is a naive perspective. My kids are racially separated every single day by the fact that they are part of a tiny minority in their school. They look different. Their parents look different. My kids have been asked hundreds of times: "Are you chinese? Are you Latino? Are you Mexican? Are you Japanese?"

    When was the last time your kids had to field those kinds of questions? My kids are half white and half Filipino. Both sides of them are equally important.
    I didn't say they weren't important. Knowledge of racial history and individual ancestry is very important and should be embraced.

    These questions that your kids peers direct to them are of result of racial separatism which continues because of segregationists masquerading as civil right activists. There are huge society negatives with holding classes about "here is what really happened to our race that the white man doesn't want you to know about".

    I grew up in the ghetto of Long Beach and was one of three "white kids" in my class. I know full well what it's like to be picked on and attacked for grudges or opinions kids are bred to hold.
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    Re: Arizona gov. signs bill targeting ethnic studies

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Arizona gov. signs bill targeting ethnic studies - Yahoo! News



    Another bill targeting Hispanics and other minorities in Arizona with vague language. Who gets to decide whether a class 'promotes resentment'? If they learn about American support for the dictatorial PRI who killed hundreds of young students days before the Mexico City Olympics, does that promote 'resentment'? Thoughts?
    No, it doesn't simply target Hispanics. It targets any group or curriculm that decides to teach that 1 race of people is better or to resent another race of people.

    It mainly came from this episode from 1 of the classes:

    AZ gov. signs bill targeting ethnic classes | HeraldTribune.com

    "...Horne, a Republican running for attorney general, said the program promotes "ethnic chauvinism" and racial resentment toward whites while segregating students by race. He's been trying to restrict it ever since he learned that Hispanic civil rights activist Dolores Huerta told students in 2006 that "Republicans hate Latinos..."
    That is where the bill's roots are, and on those grounds, the bill is justified.

    Even the district officials see nothing wrong with it:

    "...District officials said the program doesn't promote resentment, and they believe it would comply with the new law.

    The measure doesn't prohibit classes that teach about the history of a particular ethnic group, as long as the course is open to all students and doesn't promote ethnic solidarity or resentment..."
    ...such as the Dolores Huerta comments during a class back in 2006. It is prohibiting that kind of trash, which I would think, everybody out there would be behind.

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    Re: Arizona gov. signs bill targeting ethnic studies

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Another bill targeting Hispanics and other minorities in Arizona with vague language. Who gets to decide whether a class 'promotes resentment'? If they learn about American support for the dictatorial PRI who killed hundreds of young students days before the Mexico City Olympics, does that promote 'resentment'? Thoughts?
    I think all American history should be taught as American history and that's that. No African American history, no Hispanic American history...just history from an American perspective.

    I also agree that we should not be funding classes that promote racial resentment or ethnic solidarity. The only problem I see is in defining those terms and what's over the line and what isn't.

    But good job, Arizona, for at least trying to move in the right direction.

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    Re: Arizona gov. signs bill targeting ethnic studies

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I think all American history should be taught as American history and that's that. No African American history, no Hispanic American history...just history from an American perspective.
    There is no "American" history. There is history that benefits American nationalism; cheering WWII and WWI as just wars and how it was American power that won the war, although it seems much more likely that the USSR is more responsible for winning WWII than the US; submitting that the Civil War was a necessary war to rid the United States of slavery; paint the American Revolutionaries as martyrs and heroes and downplaying the mob like mentality that was the catalyst for the nation-wide revolution; have the systematic native american extermination resemble a necessary evil, or numb it altogether.

    We have to face it that history is specific to region, in regards to how a subject should be discussed. The northern teachers I had throughout my middle and high school courses would never call the civil war the "War of Northern Aggression" but outside of their classes it was how our region talked about that period in history.


    I also agree that we should not be funding classes that promote racial resentment or ethnic solidarity. The only problem I see is in defining those terms and what's over the line and what isn't.
    How do you teach the subject of Native American extermination to a Cherokee descendent with a disregard to "promoting racial resentment"?
    How do you teach the civil rights movement in Birmingham Alabama and how lynchings in the south were a common spectacle and not promote racial resentment?
    How do you teach a Japanese-American WWII? Do you brush over the parts about the illegal arresting of Japanese-American because the public shat a brick whenever they saw any person of Asian decent?
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    Re: Arizona gov. signs bill targeting ethnic studies

    It sounds almost as foolish and ill-defined as laws that seek to impose additional criminal penalties on people who do bad things as a result of "hate."
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