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    Re: Arizona gov. signs bill targeting ethnic studies

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Shouldn't a country's history be a combination of everyone who contributed to that country, not divided up into different racial/ehtnic histories? The father of American black history hoped that one day that there would not need to be a separate race category but instead taught just like regular American history. Focusing on the race of someone only encourages racism and contradicts the idea that it does not matter what your skin color is.
    Well... it didn't encourage racism here.

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    Re: Arizona gov. signs bill targeting ethnic studies

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    Arizona gov. signs bill targeting ethnic studies - Yahoo! News



    Another bill targeting Hispanics and other minorities in Arizona with vague language. Who gets to decide whether a class 'promotes resentment'? If they learn about American support for the dictatorial PRI who killed hundreds of young students days before the Mexico City Olympics, does that promote 'resentment'? Thoughts?
    I think it is more important to learn about American history in America then it is to learn about Mexico. The fact that students think America is a democracy is proof enough that students today don't know a thing about the country they reside in. Maybe it's just me, but all you need to know about Mexico is that is ran by corruption and it would be wise to bring extra money if you plan to party during your visit.

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    Re: Arizona gov. signs bill targeting ethnic studies

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Shouldn't a country's history be a combination of everyone who contributed to that country, not divided up into different racial/ehtnic histories? The father of American black history hoped that one day that there would not need to be a separate race category but instead taught just like regular American history. Focusing on the race of someone only encourages racism and contradicts the idea that it does not matter what your skin color is.
    I agree with this. History should not be broken up into racial perspectives. It only incites racial separationism.

    Now I can see the argument where racial historians don't want anyone to forget what their race had to go through to get to where it is today ( slavery, genocide, segregation, etc.) but focusing on these things just breeds resentment and holds future generations back from eliminating these past transgressions as factors and truly uniting based on nationality and not race.

    Hopefully one day nationality won't be a factor either.
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    Re: Arizona gov. signs bill targeting ethnic studies

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I don't see anything wrong with this law, in fact I like it. I think it helps move America towards being American, not towards African-American, Mexican-American, White-American, etc. We should be one America of many races. I think this law is good, if only the Arizona government was the Federal Government
    My kids are Filipino Americans. What part of their heritage is important, Digs? I consider that all of it is important. I want them to know, for instance, how heroic Filippinos were during WWII. The history of Arizona can't be understood without understanding and appreciating the role of Latinos and native peoples.

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    Re: Arizona gov. signs bill targeting ethnic studies

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    I agree with this. History should not be broken up into racial perspectives. It only incites racial separationism.
    This is a naive perspective. My kids are racially separated every single day by the fact that they are part of a tiny minority in their school. They look different. Their parents look different. My kids have been asked hundreds of times: "Are you chinese? Are you Latino? Are you Mexican? Are you Japanese?"

    When was the last time your kids had to field those kinds of questions? My kids are half white and half Filipino. Both sides of them are equally important.

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    Re: Arizona gov. signs bill targeting ethnic studies

    Quote Originally Posted by Vic Mango View Post
    Keep poking the hornet's nest Arizona.
    A pew poll showed that 73 percent of Americans support Arizona's law regarding citizenship papers.

    And I'm sure a bunch would agree with this, too.

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    Re: Arizona gov. signs bill targeting ethnic studies

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    This is a naive perspective. My kids are racially separated every single day by the fact that they are part of a tiny minority in their school. They look different. Their parents look different. My kids have been asked hundreds of times: "Are you chinese? Are you Latino? Are you Mexican? Are you Japanese?"

    When was the last time your kids had to field those kinds of questions? My kids are half white and half Filipino. Both sides of them are equally important.
    Agree entirely, but it isn't a school's job to teach them how important they are with specifically designed classes for that purpose.

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    Re: Arizona gov. signs bill targeting ethnic studies

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    My kids are Filipino Americans. What part of their heritage is important, Digs? I consider that all of it is important. I want them to know, for instance, how heroic Filippinos were during WWII. The history of Arizona can't be understood without understanding and appreciating the role of Latinos and native peoples.
    I think their problem is when these classes start going into the specifics. I remember being in school and I don't remember being taught about American involvement in Latin America at all. I don't remember being taught that the U.S. and the United Fruit Company had central roles in the overthrow of the Arbenz government in Guatemala. I don't remember being taught that thousands of Chileans died as a result of the U.S. backed coup that overthrew Allende.

    Do you?

    If you don't that's probably because it is not the American history we want to be teaching. It's impossible to tell American History for the past 150 years without including heavy amounts of Latin American history.
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    Re: Arizona gov. signs bill targeting ethnic studies

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Agree entirely, but it isn't a school's job to teach them how important they are with specifically designed classes for that purpose.
    No, it's the school's job to present a cohesive look at history in history classes. However, very few schools examine the history of native peoples, Chicanos, or Asians in the U.S. So, until the history of ALL Americans is told, this is the best option.

    Do the school's English classes read books by non-white authors? RARELY. Do the school's history classes talk about much apart from Euro history? RARELY. Why is that? Is it because only the accomplishments of white people are important?

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    Re: Arizona gov. signs bill targeting ethnic studies

    I'm honestly getting worried for Arizona.

    The idea that put this measure into motion seems to be that ethnic studies promotes a division of ethnicities:

    [1] There *is* a difference in ethnicities and the difference should be understood and accepted, but held only as a generalization. The blacks I grew up with in the rural south share very little ethnic similarities than my black classmates at the University.

    [2] I think it is healthy to discuss the differences between ethnicities.

    [3] The measure goes too far. An ethnic-study can be largely unbiased it requires how the subject is approached.

    [4] I find complete hypocrisy of those in favor of liberties, freedoms, and free markets, but seek to stop the university to be the masters of its education. Universities are designed in a way where if there is a problem in a course, then students will petition against it either thru a direct petition to administration, or by not taking the course.

    [5] If you are going to ban or draw measures against ethnic studies because of bias and possible citations for racism, then why not ban religion studies, or history studies, or language studies, or science studies, or art studies, or music studies? All of these you can denote a division between various subgroups and you can draw negative and prejudicial conclusions.


    This is a bit ridiculous.
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