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    Re: CBO ups health care cost projections

    the original impetus for reforming health care in the first place, as conceived and laid out by over-his-head obama, was ECONOMIC

    he need to REVERSE THE TRAJECTORY OF THE COST CURVE

    somehow, as the awful year ensued, the meaning and message got morphed into EXPANDING COVERAGE to all us comprehensive universals

    that is, he can't even stick to HIS OWN points

    utterly incompetent

    no wonder the party had to resort to a CRAM, just 24 hours off of a DEEM

    no wonder polls all across the country are killing the coalition

    it is fundamentally impossible to EXPAND already overstrained m&m by millions while simultaneously cutting their insufficient fundings by HALF A T

    like gravity

    another unavoidable reality everyone knew

    these and others are the reasons why no one is enthusiastic FOR this pig

    its "supporters" are universally defensive

    we couldn't do nothing, republicans offered no alternates, republicans lie---their only apologies

    be proud, progressives, of your accomplishments

    we'll discuss them coast to coast in november

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    Re: CBO ups health care cost projections

    Maybe we should stop discrimination against for-profit hospitals.

    "Of course it wouldn't make sense to restrict physician services without restricting hospitals. For-profits were the first to go, and where they were not outright prohibited, they faced a number of regulatory burdens that nonprofits escaped — such as income and property taxes. Nonprofits received generous government subsidies, tax-deductible contributions, and local planning agencies working in their favor to keep for-profit competitors from expanding. This state-sponsored discrimination against for-profit hospitals took its toll: at the time of Flexner, almost 60 percent of all US hospitals were for-profit institutions. By 1968, only 11 percent were for-profit institutions with about an 8-percent share of hospital admissions."
    And maybe other special advantages aren't a good idea:

    By 1939 these loose-cost containment plans began to be marketed under the Blue Shield name. That same year, Blue Cross was endorsed by the American Hospital Association. Already in existence for ten years, Blue Cross had begun as a hospital insurance plan for Dallas school teachers that allowed them to pay for up to three weeks of hospital care with low monthly payments.

    "After this, organized mainstream medicine waged an intense war on non-Blue plans. Goodman (1980) contends that some physicians lost hospital privileges and even their licenses for accepting non-Blue plans.[24] The Blues also gained government-supplied advantages not available to non-Blue plans. In many states, they paid no or low premium taxes and sometimes no real-estate taxes. They also weren't required to maintain minimum benefit/premium ratios and could have no or low required reserves. With government advantages, the Blues steadily came to dominate the industry. By 1950, Blue Cross held 49 percent of the hospital insurance market, while Blue Shield held 52 percent of the market for standard medical insurance.[25] They merged in 1982 and today cover one of every three Americans.[26]

    Blues-created "insurance" was anything but true insurance.

    *Hospitals were paid on a cost-plus basis. Insurers paid not a sum of prices charged to patients for services but artificial "costs" that bore no necessary relationship to the prices of services performed.

    *Insurance of routine procedures. This converted insurance to prepaid consumption that encouraged overuse of services.

    *Insurance premiums based on "community rating." The word "community" meant that every person in a specific geographic area regardless of age, habits, occupation, race, or sex was charged the same premium. For example, the average 60-year-old incurs four times the medical expense of the average 25-year-old, but under community rating both pay the same premium (i.e., young people are overcharged and the elderly undercharged).

    *A "pay-as-you-go" system. Unlike genuine catastrophic hospital insurance that placed premiums in growing reserves to pay claims, the new Blues' "insurance" collected premiums that only covered expected costs over the following year. If a large group of policyholders became ill over several years, the premiums of all policyholders had to be raised to cover the increase in costs.

    These traits spell cost-explosion disaster, so naturally they were incorporated into the federal government's Medicare and Medicaid programs when they were created in the mid-1960s to address the problem of healthcare being unaffordable for the poor and elderly — a problem the state and federal governments created!"
    Nope, instead we get something that does nothing to ease competition restrictions in medicine, something in fact that does absolutely nothing to deal with rising costs. Of course it will be a failure.

    "Voters naïve enough to think they will get a complete repeal from the Republican Party appear to be in for a major disappointment. "Obamacare," with its continuance of socialized costs for private gains in American medicine, was the treatment that the conservative Republican doctor had in mind for some time. The problem is that the Democrats were the first to implement it."
    Read more: 100 Years of US Medical Fascism - Dale Steinreich - Mises Institute 100 Years of US Medical Fascism - Dale Steinreich - Mises Institute

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    Re: CBO ups health care cost projections

    How do you veto a bill you already passed?

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    Re: CBO ups health care cost projections

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    How do you veto a bill you already passed?
    Just don't fund it.
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    Re: CBO ups health care cost projections

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Just don't fund it.
    Yea but we still have to deal with the new rules placed on employers and insurance companies, which increase costs.
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    Re: CBO ups health care cost projections

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    How do you veto a bill you already passed?
    Don't fund it in 2011 and 2012.

    Repeal it in 2013 when the democrats are no longer a viable political party.

    Tuesday, May 11, 2010

    The number of U.S. voters who expect the recently passed health care bill to increase the federal deficit is at its highest level yet, and most voters continue to favor its repeal.

    The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of Likely Voters shows 63% now believe the health care reform legislation signed into law is likely to increase the federal deficit. That’s up four points from last week and up three points from when the law was passed in March.

    Only 12% expect the law to reduce the deficit, down four points over the past week and the lowest level measured to date. Another 16% say the law will have no impact.

    The percentage of voters who expect the law to increase the deficit has ranged from 57% to 63% since March.

    Support for repeal is proving to be just as consistent as opposition to the plan before it was passed into law. Fifty-six percent (56%) now favor repeal, including 46% who Strongly Favor it. Thirty-seven percent (37%) are opposed to repeal, with 28% Strongly Opposed.
    Health Care Law - Rasmussen Reports

    You can bet this going to be a big issue for the next 3 years.
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