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    Re: Thieves Steal Mojave Desert Memorial Cross in Nighttime Heist

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    Don't you get it. Capital PUNISHMENT for Thieves goes against the EIGHT AMENDMENT, because it would be considered unusual punishment for a misdemeanor or felony. This would be a misdemeanor crime at best, because nothing above $400.00 were stolen.
    Relax. Just getting into the details here.

    According to Eighth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    In Furman v. Georgia, 408 U.S. 238 (1972), Justice Brennan wrote, "There are, then, four principles by which we may determine whether a particular punishment is 'cruel and unusual'."

    • The "essential predicate" is "that a punishment must not by its severity be degrading to human dignity," especially torture.
    • "A severe punishment that is obviously inflicted in wholly arbitrary fashion."
    • "A severe punishment that is clearly and totally rejected throughout society."
    • "A severe punishment that is patently unnecessary."


    Continuing, he wrote that he expected that no state would pass a law obviously violating any one of these principles, so court decisions regarding the Eighth Amendment would involve a "cumulative" analysis of the implication of each of the four principles.
    It goes on to say:

    Punishments forbidden regardless of the crime
    In Wilkerson v. Utah, 99 U.S. 130 (1878), the Supreme Court commented that drawing and quartering, public dissecting, burning alive, or disemboweling would constitute cruel and unusual punishment regardless of the crime.
    So I need to retract my drawing and quartering aspect of my punishment...

    Furthermore:

    In Coker v. Georgia, 433 U.S. 584 (1977), the Court declared that the death penalty was unconstitutionally excessive for rape of a woman and, by implication, for any crime where a death does not occur. The majority in Coker stated that "rape by definition does not include the death of or even the serious injury to another person."
    So there goes my capital punishment. I assume the head on a pike was out of bounds as well.

    Ho hum, we coulda really stuck it to the criminals and cleared up some space in prison.

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    Re: Thieves Steal Mojave Desert Memorial Cross in Nighttime Heist

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    We don't know if these thieves were militant atheists or just teenagers wanting to pull a prank, so we can't say it was a group action until we arrest and find those who have done this guilty in court. It is sickening that this happened. Not only was this theft, but it was also desecration of a war memorial.
    I doubt very much this was teenagers.

    This cross was 7 feet tall 3 inch heavy pipe on top of a large chunk of rock bolted together in a heavy concrete footer. Not to mention it was 70 miles south of Las Vegas and 200 miles northeast of Los Angeles ie the middle of the desert. I dont know of any teenager(s) that would go to that much trouble for a prank.

    And this was 2 weeks after the decision that it could stay.

    Lets be honest enough to know who is by far most likely to have done this. If this was an abortion clinic defaced 2 weeks after abortions were allowed in a court decision no one would think Planned Parenthood was responsible.

    This was far left hate filled atheists who could care less about the law or the fact they lost so they decided to hurt people who value the cross by taking it.
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    Re: Thieves Steal Mojave Desert Memorial Cross in Nighttime Heist

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    Why punish them "severely"? Only a theft was committed. Just because you have some special attachment to a controversial object does not mean that the criminals who stole it are entitled to more time than any other theft would get.
    You're right. Anyone who wants this to mean more than a simple theft obviously supports hate crimes legislation.

    Because that's what they're arguing for.

    Either this was simple theft or it was a hate crime. If you argue that they should be punished more because of the symbolism of the act, then you believe that hate crimes legislation should be legal.

    Right?

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    Re: Thieves Steal Mojave Desert Memorial Cross in Nighttime Heist

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    I doubt very much this was teenagers.

    This cross was 7 feet tall 3 inch heavy pipe on top of a large chunk of rock bolted together in a heavy concrete footer. Not to mention it was 70 miles south of Las Vegas and 200 miles northeast of Los Angeles ie the middle of the desert. I dont know of any teenager(s) that would go to that much trouble for a prank.

    And this was 2 weeks after the decision that it could stay.

    Lets be honest enough to know who is by far most likely to have done this. If this was an abortion clinic defaced 2 weeks after abortions were allowed in a court decision no one would think Planned Parenthood was responsible.

    This was far left hate filled atheists who could care less about the law or the fact they lost so they decided to hurt people who value the cross by taking it.
    Wow, Obama must had alot of time on his hands.
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    Re: Thieves Steal Mojave Desert Memorial Cross in Nighttime Heist

    I aee this as another indication of the problems Obama has brought to our Nation. He has caused the left to be emboldened in their radical views and actions. Rather being a uniting force all he has done is to create a greater divide because of his Socialist/Marxist policies.

    He is such an amateur at at everything he does he causes trouble every time we turn around, and it will end only when he is gone from power which can't happen too soon.

    We have to stay focused on the Nov. elections and stick to the truth and the facts and make sure that Conservative views rule the day to shut Obama style radicalism down or he will continue to attack your freedoms ans erode you rights.

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    Re: Thieves Steal Mojave Desert Memorial Cross in Nighttime Heist

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    I aee this as another indication of the problems Obama has brought to our Nation. He has caused the left to be emboldened in their radical views and actions. Rather being a uniting force all he has done is to create a greater divide because of his Socialist/Marxist policies.

    He is such an amateur at at everything he does he causes trouble every time we turn around, and it will end only when he is gone from power which can't happen too soon.

    We have to stay focused on the Nov. elections and stick to the truth and the facts and make sure that Conservative views rule the day to shut Obama style radicalism down or he will continue to attack your freedoms ans erode you rights.
    So sir, may I ask, are you honestly blaming this act of vandalism on Obama? Do you honestly think he caused this?

    Cause I gotta say that's pretty low.

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    Re: Thieves Steal Mojave Desert Memorial Cross in Nighttime Heist

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    I aee this as another indication of the problems Obama has brought to our Nation. He has caused the left to be emboldened in their radical views and actions. Rather being a uniting force all he has done is to create a greater divide because of his Socialist/Marxist policies.

    He is such an amateur at at everything he does he causes trouble every time we turn around, and it will end only when he is gone from power which can't happen too soon.

    We have to stay focused on the Nov. elections and stick to the truth and the facts and make sure that Conservative views rule the day to shut Obama style radicalism down or he will continue to attack your freedoms ans erode you rights.
    Oh, wow...that's right. And if you're going to play that game, then we can blame the plane into the IRS building in TX on conservatives? And the murder at the Holocaust Museum? And the murder of the abortion doctor in Kansas?

    If you're going to play that game, then I'm going to blame all those crimes on the right.

    Or you can blame things on individuals.

    Your choice.

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    Re: Thieves Steal Mojave Desert Memorial Cross in Nighttime Heist

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Wow, Obama must had alot of time on his hands.
    Why are you calling Obama a far left hate filled atheist? Do you have evidence of this?
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    Re: Thieves Steal Mojave Desert Memorial Cross in Nighttime Heist

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Why are you calling Obama a far left hate filled atheist? Do you have evidence of this?
    I work with what you give me

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    Re: Thieves Steal Mojave Desert Memorial Cross in Nighttime Heist

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I work with what you give me
    I never mentioned Obama. Not even in passing.

    Are you having trouble reading?
    Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

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