In bid to save party, Brown says he will quit

[donsutherland1]

British Prime Minister Gordon Brown has announced that he would resign "within months" if a Labour-Liberal Democrat coalition government could be formed.

British Prime Minister Gordon Brown says he wants his Labour Party to govern in coalition with the Liberal Democrats — and he'll step down within months if that happens.

Brown offered to quit in a bid to tempt the third-place Liberal Democrats to form an alliance with second-place Labour, not the Conservatives, who won the most seats in Thursday's election but not a majority.

In bid to save party, Brown says he will quit - Europe- msnbc.com

 

[digsbe]

It would be a true shame is the UK was cursed under more labor rule. The conservatives won a majority, give them a chance to have a prime minister. I hope the LD side with the conservatives so the UK can experience real change and reform.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

It would be a true shame is the UK was cursed under more labor rule. The conservatives won a majority, give them a chance to have a prime minister. I hope the LD side with the conservatives so the UK can experience real change and reform.

They didnt win a majority

They have the most seats but did not win a majority

As for the LD and the Conservatives, it would be strange for the two to work together as the LD are more left then Labour, while the Conservatives are of course more right then Labour, how both would be able to recocile(sp) their particular ideologies in order to work together is beyond me

 

[digsbe]

They didnt win a majority

They have the most seats but did not win a majority

As for the LD and the Conservatives, it would be strange for the two to work together as the LD are more left then Labour, while the Conservatives are of course more right then Labour, how both would be able to recocile(sp) their particular ideologies in order to work together is beyond me

I wan meaning because they have the most seats they have the majority in parliament. The have a plurality and not an absolute majority?

Honestly I just hope the UK is able to give their people a conservative PM. It would seem wrong to have a plurality not have a PM, especially when one party lost many seats and elects another PM of the same party that the UK has had for years.

 

[Erod]

Socialism has been exposed in Europe. Once great countries like England have been reduced to mere shadows of their former selves. The less stable countries have imploded altogether, such as Greece, with Portugal, Spain, and others heading down the same path.

I hope American voters are paying very close attention, and don't fall for the empty promises socialism initially teases with.

The problem with socialism, as it's been said, is that you eventually run out of other people's money to spend.

 

[PeteEU]

Socialism has been exposed in Europe. Once great countries like England have been reduced to mere shadows of their former selves. The less stable countries have imploded altogether, such as Greece, with Portugal, Spain, and others heading down the same path.

I hope American voters are paying very close attention, and don't fall for the empty promises socialism initially teases with.

The problem with socialism, as it's been said, is that you eventually run out of other people's money to spend.

Wow what planet do you live on?

You do know it was right wing policies that got the world into the problems they are in now right? Unregulated markets gone amok with greed... during a right wing US administration.

And that the US is far far far worse off than most of Europe right? Ignoring your own problems by making fun of others and taking non factual jabs at them does not make those problems go away.

 

[PeteEU]

As for Brown.. he is quite the political player.

By doing this, getting a Lib Dem- Labour government is closer than getting a Lib-Dem - Conservative government.

Like it or not, the Lib-Dems and Conservatives have very little in common, and the Conservatives do not want to change the electoral system as it would hurt them.

 

[Ockham]

Wow what planet do you live on?

You do know it was right wing policies that got the world into the problems they are in now right? Unregulated markets gone amok with greed... during a right wing US administration.

And that the US is far far far worse off than most of Europe right? Ignoring your own problems by making fun of others and taking non factual jabs at them does not make those problems go away.

Which is why 99% of people don't respond to you. When produced with facts your reality trumps all. According to you - all things bad in the world are the result of right wing policies... no matter what the facts say. :screwy

Back to the ignore list with you!

 

[Crunch]

Which is why 99% of people don't respond to you. When produced with facts your reality trumps all. According to you - all things bad in the world are the result of right wing policies... no matter what the facts say. :screwy

Back to the ignore list with you!

Pete is like your crazy old Uncle...... funny in private, embarrassing in public. :mrgreen:

 

[jujuman13]

I do have to agree that a LibDem-Labor pact makes more sense than a LibDem-Conservative pact.
But even were Mr. Clegg to align with Bossy boots Brown the combined would still not have a majority.
So at a guess I would suppose that English hater Salmond would be brought into the mix along with the Welsh party.

Then during the next election we could reasonably expect to see the decimation of both LibDems and Labour Party NU or otherwise.

Personally I would pray that all these Power Hungry Politicians realised that the UK is in dire need of healing, indeed has no wish to have the same ol same ol ointment applied to it's wounds.
Surely it is not beyond the wit of these people to realise that endless squabbling does nothing for the UK other than make them a continual laughing stock for all other nations.

 

[Middleground]

Which is why 99% of people don't respond to you. When produced with facts your reality trumps all. According to you - all things bad in the world are the result of right wing policies... no matter what the facts say. :screwy

Back to the ignore list with you!

Speaking of facts, you see to be lacking some of your own:
1) 99% don't respond to Pete? Wow, where did you get that number?
2) What "facts" were produced??? After all, you didn't dispute anything he said with facts of your own.
2) He didn't say ALL things bad. He mentioned a few conservative traits that have caused problems in today's world. Why the need to exaggerate?

As for Brown, he had to step down. It's unfortunate that comments that were only supposed to be said in private became common knowledge because of a live mike.

 

[jujuman13]

Speaking of facts, you see to be lacking some of your own:
1) 99% don't respond to Pete? Wow, where did you get that number?
2) What "facts" were produced??? After all, you didn't dispute anything he said with facts of your own.
2) He didn't say ALL things bad. He mentioned a few conservative traits that have caused problems in today's world. Why the need to exaggerate?

As for Brown, he had to step down. It's unfortunate that comments that were only supposed to be said in private became common knowledge because of a live mike.

What actually is unfortunate that the UK had an unelected Prime Minister that would actually think these things, let alone open his big fat mouth and opine them.

 

[Middleground]

What actually is unfortunate that the UK had an unelected Prime Minister that would actually think these things, let alone open his big fat mouth and opine them.

C'mon, jujuman. You do not make opinions about people in confidence? Stuff you wouldn't say publicly, but to a close friend?

 

[Laila]

British Prime Minister Gordon Brown has announced that he would resign "within months" if a Labour-Liberal Democrat coalition government could be formed.

In bid to save party, Brown says he will quit - Europe- msnbc.com

He should have left on Friday. Labour should have resigned with some dignity and moved aside for the Conservatives.
They have the legitimate mandate to govern this country due to the number of seats and proportion of votes they have won is higher than any other party.

 

[ludahai]

As for Brown.. he is quite the political player.

By doing this, getting a Lib Dem- Labour government is closer than getting a Lib-Dem - Conservative government.

Like it or not, the Lib-Dems and Conservatives have very little in common, and the Conservatives do not want to change the electoral system as it would hurt them.

So, how stable do you think a minority Labour/LibDem government is going to be? If that is the governing coalition, there will be new elections within a year.

 

[Laila]

So, how stable do you think a minority Labour/LibDem government is going to be? If that is the governing coalition, there will be new elections within a year.

A lib/lab coalition would not be stable and personally, I would prefer a second election to occur than UK be held at ransom by the nationalists.
If Lib Dems have any sense right now, they will support the Conservatives. If they prop up a Labour Government, voters will punish them.

It has only been what? 4 days and I am already fed up with this political vaccum.
If this is what PR brings then I do not want it ever introduced.

 

[ludahai]

A lib/lab coalition would not be stable and personally, I would prefer a second election to occur than UK be held at ransom by the nationalists.
If Lib Dems have any sense right now, they will support the Conservatives. If they prop up a Labour Government, voters will punish them.

The Conservatives have offerred a reasonable compromise on what seems to be their most important issue. BBC news said they offered a public referendum on the issue. Sounds more than fair to me.

It has only been what? 4 days and I am already fed up with this political vaccum.
If this is what PR brings then I do not want it ever introduced.

Every election would see a hung parliament under PR. I think this exercise will turn Brits away from such a change to the election system as proposed by the LibDems.

 

[Laila]

The Conservatives have offerred a reasonable compromise on what seems to be their most important issue. BBC news said they offered a public referendum on the issue. Sounds more than fair to me.

Every election would see a hung parliament under PR. I think this exercise will turn Brits away from such a change to the election system as proposed by the LibDems.

Of course it is.
It would be arrogant of the Lib Dems to wish for a electoral reform without even consulting the public as to whether they want it to begin with.
And honestly, I doubt electoral reform is in the top 5 things the British public are concerned about. I'm more worried over our deficit than whether we vote under PR or AV or STV.

It has worked on me so yes, it is a safe bet that others in the country are getting a bit fed up with this political horsetrading and to think this may last till next week :doh

 

[ludahai]

Of course it is.
It would be arrogant of the Lib Dems to wish for a electoral reform without even consulting the public as to whether they want it to begin with.
And honestly, I doubt electoral reform is in the top 5 things the British public are concerned about. I'm more worried over our deficit than whether we vote under PR or AV or STV.

As they are the number 3 party, it isn't like they have a mandate to pursue such electoral reform as it is. And I think you are right, though you are in a better position than me, though from what I read in British papers online and what I hear on the BBC, you are absolutely right about the issues of import.

It has worked on me so yes, it is a safe bet that others in the country are getting a bit fed up with this political horsetrading and to think this may last till next week :doh

It sounds great in theory, but reality bites sometimes... There are things that can be fixed, but Britain's election system has worked for a long time. I don't see any need to make wholesale changes to it.

 

[Taylor]

As for Brown, he had to step down. It's unfortunate that comments that were only supposed to be said in private became common knowledge because of a live mike.

Perhaps people are happy they were able to catch a glimpse of the "real" Brown.

 

[Laila]

As they are the number 3 party, it isn't like they have a mandate to pursue such electoral reform as it is. And I think you are right, though you are in a better position than me, though from what I read in British papers online and what I hear on the BBC, you are absolutely right about the issues of import.

It sounds great in theory, but reality bites sometimes... There are things that can be fixed, but Britain's election system has worked for a long time. I don't see any need to make wholesale changes to it.

Yep and people ignore the biggest downside to PR. The minority parties are given a disappropriate amount of power and influence and the ability to hold a party ransom becomes more likely. Look at SNP/Welsh nationalists and what is going on now. They are demanding money in some cases for their vote.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Yep and people ignore the biggest downside to PR. The minority parties are given a disappropriate amount of power and influence and the ability to hold a party ransom becomes more likely. Look at SNP/Welsh nationalists and what is going on now. They are demanding money in some cases for their vote.

And the problem with FPP is that 38% or so of the people who vote can have 100% of the power.

 

[Middleground]

Perhaps people are happy they were able to catch a glimpse of the "real" Brown.

Raise your hand if you've never been guilty of:
1) Making negative comments about someone in thought
2) Making negative comments about someone in confidence

Hmmmmmm. No one has their hand up except Mr Perfect.

PS. From the clip that I saw, the woamn wasn't exactly miss manners either. Fact is, my thoughts were on par with Mr Brown's.

 

[Jetboogieman]

Rule Britannia.

 

[Taylor]

Raise your hand if you've never been guilty of:
1) Making negative comments about someone in thought
2) Making negative comments about someone in confidence

It's not so much that he made negative comments, its what those negative comments were. Fortunately for Brown, he no longer need be bothered by the "bigoted women" he represents, or their "ridiculous" concerns.