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Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

j-mac said:
Yes, they can, just make sure that no one is offended by an overt giving of thanks before a meal....What a load!

Should people be ashamed of their religious belief LT?


j-mac
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some americans don't seem to like it when muslims pray in public.
 
Jerry said:
......because you know those seniors are going to take over the country....DARN YOU SENIORS!!! No prayer for you!!
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Revolt of the Walkers......:rofl


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Yes, they can, just make sure that no one is offended by an overt giving of thanks before a meal....What a load!

Should people be ashamed of their religious belief LT?


j-mac
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His name is Tammy, show some respect.
 
j-mac said:
Surely you must know that there are just as many scriptures speaking to the open, and loud praise of the Lord so that others may hear, right?


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Open praise is fine. Public prayer is not in the eyes of the Lord.
 
j-mac said:
Surely you must know that there are just as many scriptures speaking to the open, and loud praise of the Lord so that others may hear, right?


j-mac
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Within a religious congregation...Not done as a public display of righteousness.
 
MrVicchio said:
1st Amendment... you might of heard of it...


First Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (just for the wording)

Did congress pass a law dictating that people must Pray? No, so there is no "Church and State" issue here.

And the right of people to have a group prayer is Free Speech, Right of Assembly...

Could you please show me where in the Constitution the "right to not be offended/disturbed by others exercising their rights" is... I cannot seem to find it.

I don't see in the article where any senior complained, where someone was offended that was at the meal.
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Yawn not at all what I was talking about.
 
disneydude said:
Open praise is fine. Public prayer is not in the eyes of the Lord.
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Catz Part Deux said:
Within a religious congregation...Not done as a public display of righteousness.
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"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." (Mark 16:15-16)

"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. " (Romans 10:13-17)


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." (Mark 16:15-16)

"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. " (Romans 10:13-17)


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Both of those are talking about individual acts, not state sponsored activities.
 
If they or anyone wants to offer religious or non religous blessing before eating a meal, ensure that it is not a government supplied one and no one will be able to stop you from praying at the top of your lungs (excepting for noise bylaws )
 
disneydude said:
Both of those are talking about individual acts, not state sponsored activities.
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Offering a prayer before a meal is now a "state sponsored" activity? How so? The Government supplements the cost of the meal, not who prepares it or delivers it....

This is the problem with liberals that are against any form of religion in the square. You think that because there is a monetary supplement to the meals offered to seniors, that it entitles you to tell them HOW they must accept it.

WRONG!


j-mac
 
MrVicchio said:
OF course it was, you just have no answer for it.
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No it was not what I was talking about it what you want to talk about so that you can impose your belief system on others.

I was talking about being polite and considerate of others.
 
winston53660 said:
No it was not what I was talking about it what you want to talk about so that you can impose your belief system on others.

I was talking about being polite and considerate of others.
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Why do the prayee's have to be polite and considerate? You say that as if their actions are somehow offensive and shameful.

What about those that wish to pray and are offended they are being forced to do so silently?

I think it's more considerate to let them have their prayer and just sit silently.
 
Some Atheists are intolerant jerks.
 
MrVicchio said:
Why do the prayee's have to be polite and considerate?
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Fine be an ass if you want to.

What about those that wish to pray and are offended they are being forced to do so silently?
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Then I guess they will have to hear my prayer to Satan. Oh wait I'm actually polite and considerate of others.
 
another example where the evangelicals are outraged that their attempts at proselytization will not be subsidized by the federal government:
... On Thursday, the usual open prayer before meals at the center was traded in for a moment of silence.

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Rutherford said the moment of silence was introduced to protect that funding. He said although the change may have been misinterpreted, perhaps his company could have done a better job selling it.

"It's interpreted that we're telling people that they can't pray, but we aren't saying that," he said. "We're asking them to pray to themselves. Have that moment of silence." ...
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so, no one is being denied the opportunity to pray. a moment of silence is observed to give those who desire to pray the opportunity to do so

what is pissing off the evangelicals is that they no longer get to subject all of the guests to a PUBLIC prayer of their choosing

if there was a public sunni moslem prayer being offered, or a jewish prayer being publicly said before a predominently Christian group, no doubt the evangelicals ould also have their panties in a wad about that ... and then they would have gotten it right
 
justabubba said:
another example where the evangelicals are outraged that their attempts at proselytization will not be subsidized by the federal government:

so, no one is being denied the opportunity to pray. a moment of silence is observed to give those who desire to pray the opportunity to do so

what is pissing off the evangelicals is that they no longer get to subject all of the guests to a PUBLIC prayer of their choosing

if there was a public sunni moslem prayer being offered, or a jewish prayer being publicly said before a predominently Christian group, no doubt the evangelicals ould also have their panties in a wad about that ... and then they would have gotten it right
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Your anologies make no sense....Why would a Moslem prayer, or a Jewish prayer be offered to a group of Christians unless it was intended to be out of place or offend?

So what you are saying is that it would be ok, if not amusing to you to jab Christians, but lord help up if we offend the non believer minority?


j-mac
 
rfol i no liek omg any1 hoo prayz iz a evinjeliekle no xeptunz lol
 
j-mac said:
Your anologies make no sense....Why would a Moslem prayer, or a Jewish prayer be offered to a group of Christians unless it was intended to be out of place or offend?

So what you are saying is that it would be ok, if not amusing to you to jab Christians, but lord help up if we offend the non believer minority?


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no
you don't get it

that public prayer of the evangelicals might be found offensive to some of the guests
the guests should not be subjected to it

an opportunity for prayer has not been eliminated - as you have wrongly indicated by the title of this thread. they can still pray. only now they are not subjected to the proselytization of the evangelicals. and they should not be, just as you should not be subjected to the proselytization of the mormons, jews, moslems, wiccans, or any other particular faith
 
j-mac said:
Your anologies make no sense....Why would a Moslem prayer, or a Jewish prayer be offered to a group of Christians unless it was intended to be out of place or offend?

So what you are saying is that it would be ok, if not amusing to you to jab Christians, but lord help up if we offend the non believer minority?


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He's just joking around, bro. No one actually thinks like that. He's just trying to have some fun.
 
Non - issue. Praying isn't forbidden, and they were NOT told they couldn't pray before meals.

Same idiocy as prayer in schools.

No one is stopping anyone from praying any goddamn time they want to, to any god or goddess or fairy or leprechaun they want to, for whatever reason they want to.
 
j-mac said:
Isn't this going just a bit too far?


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Probably, yeah.

But isn't prayer about a personal communion with a higher-power?

Why do so many feel the need to be lead in prayer?


:)

 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
ah so if I am reading you right, you as an x-christian, want to tell christians how to pray?
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Yes, I want to tell all Christians how to pray. How should they pray? However they want, whenever they want.

Also, thanks for not answering the question at all, just like all the other outraged people in this thread. They don't want to reasonably think about this for one minute, they'd rather shout "persecution" from the rooftops and make up crap like "we're not allowed to pray anymore."
 
hazlnut said:
Probably, yeah.

But isn't prayer about a personal communion with a higher-power?

Why do so many feel the need to be lead in prayer?

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In Christianity, praying in groups is highly encouraged and its easier to be a cohesive unit when someone is leading. Personally though, when someone leads a prayer in church, I tend to get lost and just end up doing my own thing anyway.
 
I would think they would ban the constant ramblings of why the rooms are always to hot or cold and also the excessive food joined with saliva being ejected from their mouths as they complain. :roll:

Thats much more offesive than prayer.
 
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