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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    When I get old, I'm going to tell the local senior center that I'm a whirling dervish, and I need to perform a sword dance before eating. And, if they refuse, I'm going to sue for religious discrimination.

    You think I'm a pain in the ass now, wait until I get old.
    Can I join that senior center with you so I can back you up?

    Okay, I don't know if I could keep up with you and rivrrat.
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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    Can I join that senior center with you so I can back you up?

    Okay, I don't know if I could keep up with you and rivrrat.
    Oh, you could. If not, we'd spike your mimosa with Viagra, too.

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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    There is a difference between sharing the gospel and forcing other people to sit through your public prayer. Are Christians so insecure in their beliefs that they can only persevere when they have the weight of the government behind them?

    Who was being "forced"? I didn't read anywhere in that story where residents complained, did you?

    So then you are basing your argument for, or against on something you can't discern happened. I believe that is called a strawman.


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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Who was being "forced"? I didn't read anywhere in that story where residents complained, did you?

    So then you are basing your argument for, or against on something you can't discern happened. I believe that is called a strawman.


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    now, they have a period of silence when each guest can say their prayers as they choose

    before - the system you are whining about its having changed - is where the guests were led in prayer. even those guests who did not subscribe to the faith practices as the one saying the prayer. the guest should not be made to leave their group home setting in order to escape the proselytizations of the evangelists
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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    now, they have a period of silence when each guest can say their prayers as they choose

    before - the system you are whining about its having changed - is where the guests were led in prayer. even those guests who did not subscribe to the faith practices as the one saying the prayer. the guest should not be made to leave their group home setting in order to escape the proselytizations of the evangelists

    So who complained? Do you know?


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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    now, they have a period of silence when each guest can say their prayers as they choose

    before - the system you are whining about its having changed - is where the guests were led in prayer. even those guests who did not subscribe to the faith practices as the one saying the prayer. the guest should not be made to leave their group home setting in order to escape the proselytizations of the evangelists
    They could also just ignore them. I do.

    I think the whole group led prayer thing is silly. After all, if there is a God I'm sure He can hear you without the need for a ring leader. But I also don't get too worked up over some old people (who are likely pretty close to meeting God anyway) praying before they eat some bland chicken. I don't think using tax payer money to help feed them is really the government promoting the establishment of any religion. They hand over some money, food gets made, the people get the food, and they say grace before eating. I just can't get too worked up over it. And trust me, I'm for a fortified, titanium and plutonium wall of separation between church and state.

    If I were there I would just start eating as they prayed. No need to let my food get cold on account of your little fairy tale.
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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    now, they have a period of silence when each guest can say their prayers as they choose

    before - the system you are whining about its having changed - is where the guests were led in prayer. even those guests who did not subscribe to the faith practices as the one saying the prayer. the guest should not be made to leave their group home setting in order to escape the proselytizations of the evangelists
    SO much for tolerance eh?

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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    On the one hand I think it goes little too far, but on the other I don't understand why they needs to be led in a prayer in the first place. If someone wants to pray before they eat they should just do it.
    A lot of older folks are accustomed to formal prayer before meals, where one person would pray aloud while others joined in silently. This was the custom at family dinners in many homes until relatively recently, and at most social gatherings as well.

    That's what they are used to. Apparently no one who is there at the center is objecting to the custom; it is an outsider who is saying "Because you recieve federal funding for these meals, you must not have overt prayer during same."

    This is nuts. Are they going to tell Food Stamp recipients they can't pray before a meal at home next? Food stamps are federally funded...

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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post

    That's what they are used to. Apparently no one who is there at the center is objecting to the custom; it is an outsider who is saying "Because you recieve federal funding for these meals, you must not have overt prayer during same."

    This is nuts. Are they going to tell Food Stamp recipients they can't pray before a meal at home next? Food stamps are federally funded...
    Good point. The Government is not really doing anything in terms of religion here. They are funding a meal program and the recipients choose to pray before the meal. There is really no connection at all between the prayer and the government. The government gives checks or benefits to people who pray all the time. That doesn't mean they are promoting any faith or giving any faith special status. There is really nothing to see here.
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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Offering a prayer before a meal is now a "state sponsored" activity? How so? The Government supplements the cost of the meal, not who prepares it or delivers it....

    This is the problem with liberals that are against any form of religion in the square. You think that because there is a monetary supplement to the meals offered to seniors, that it entitles you to tell them HOW they must accept it.

    WRONG!


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    Yes, we are against any form of religion in the square regardless of creed or denomination because it doesn't belong there.
    People are free to sponsors their own individual worship ceremonies and I fully support the rights of churches to practice freely.

    That said, our Constitution requires the government to remain religion neutral.

    THAT is much better than what the vast majority of those seeking to bring religion into government...and that is...."in favor of any form of religion in the square, as long as it is not buddhist, muslim, jewish....or basically not "Christian".
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