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Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

I don't think that privately funded homeless shelters are the same as nursing facilities. However, when that person was removed what was his reaction? Did he want to stay? Why is it up to you to right the wrong of someone else that is capable of speaking for themselves?


j-mac

This was someone who was homeless and mentally ill and he was removed because he was Jewish and didn't want to say a prayer to Jesus as his Lord and Saviour.

Most homeless people want to stay in the shelter instead of on the street. He was forced into the street for the night. It was the next day I encountered him and found him a new shelter.

And it was my job since I worked at a mental health center for the homeless.

Now, like I said, Wheeler is a private facility, so they can do as they wish.

I personally don't find it very Christian at all to withhold a meal or shelter if someone has a different religion.

In fact, being inhospitable to those in need was pretty looked down upon by Jesus, I believe.
 
Plus, didn't Christ have a Sermon on the Mount?

Do you have a point, aside from the one under your hat?

This particular prayer is strictly for the people of the old people home.
What is accomplished by having someone lead it, out loud, that would not be accomplished by praying silently on an individual basis?
 
Do you have a point, aside from the one under your hat?


What is accomplished by having someone lead it, out loud, that would not be accomplished by praying silently on an individual basis?

The whole public prayer thing really is obnoxious. I'm not suggesting they should not be able to do it or anything, but it's odd why so many people feel the need for validation of their faith. As if it's only the way, the truth and the light if others agree.
 
Interesting. So no one was stopping them from praying before, and no one is stopping them from praying now. The only difference is that now, everyone else is forced to sit there and listen to their babbling.

I do have to wonder if they'd be so willing to fight for my "right to group prayer" if I wanted to have a group satanic prayer and made everyone else sit there and listen to it.

Probably not, since you'd only be doing it out of a desire to be childish and annoying and not a sincere belief in giving thanks to Satan.

I, for one, would never abide such a disrespectful and hollow spectacle committed in the name of the Dark Prince. He would want your feelings to be out of a genuine desire to wreak havoc and destroy good, not some farcical attempt to be edgy...

All Hail the Dark Prince!!!
 
I thought liberals were happy that the federal government provides for those in need ??? :confused:

I am sure that the conservatives are too. My conservative millionaire landlady has never refused a government check.
 
I guess you've never been the person sitting there uncomfortably while other people assume you are one of the group and subject you to a religious service you didn't sign up for. I lived in Utah as a Southern Baptist, and experienced it all the time, which is what largely influenced my views on the subject.

A few thoughts:

First, public prayers for the sake of being public about them are expressly forbidden, BY CHRIST, in the New Testament.

Second, what is the goal of such conduct, if it is not rewarded by God? Generally speaking, it is done because the believers are so inconsiderate that they feel they must subject other people to their practices.

Third, what does such behavior do for the cause of Christ? Be specific. What is this sort of public prayer designed to accomplish, in your opinion? I'd really like to know.

No one cares about your interpretation of the Bible. The cogent argument concerns the legality and Constitutionality of a group prayer being held during a Federally-funded meal for seniors. Since the First Amendment only forbids "laws respecting an establishment of religion", we can safely assume that no such violation has occurred, and that rabid anti-religionists like yourself are getting bent out of shape for nothing.
 
No one cares about your interpretation of the Bible. The cogent argument concerns the legality and Constitutionality of a group prayer being held during a Federally-funded meal for seniors. Since the First Amendment only forbids "laws respecting an establishment of religion", we can safely assume that no such violation has occurred, and that rabid anti-religionists like yourself are getting bent out of shape for nothing.

You don't know catz very well if you think she is anti-religious. She has more spirituality in her buns then you do in your pud.
 
It's necessary for someone to publicly object for a practice to be unconstitutional? Your reasoning is flawed, padawan.

Show me which part of the Constitution is being violated here.
 
You don't know catz very well if you think she is anti-religious. She has more spirituality in her buns then you do in your pud.

Her anti-religious nature has been made manifestly obvious by her incessant desire to demonize these old people for wanting to have a public prayer prior to their meal.

As for having more spirituality than me, I don't doubt that at all, as I am mostly an intellectual person; I like cold, hard empiricism, facts and physical phenomena.
 
Her anti-religious nature has been made manifestly obvious by her incessant desire to demonize these old people for wanting to have a public prayer prior to their meal.

As for having more spirituality than me, I don't doubt that at all, as I am mostly an intellectual person; I like cold, hard empiricism, facts and physical phenomena.

You have no reading comprehension. That is not what she said.
 
I am saying they are not following these teachings:

6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

Take it up with Jesus then. I could care less.

Try addressing the actual issue at hand, that is, the Constitutionality of this group-lead prayer.

So they are clamoring for private prayer, now, are they?

I don't see any "clamoring". All I see is some old folks gently disagreeing with a government-imposed ban on public prayer during their meals.

Twice, now.

Well, aren't you special?
 
Would you do me a solid and venture into the European section and tell the other leftists that I am part of their unthinking mob?

They might not disavow me if you put in the right kind of word.

So you disagree with them on something. Good for you, chief. You're only batting .900 in the leftist world. Congrats.
 
Her anti-religious nature has been made manifestly obvious by her incessant desire to demonize these old people for wanting to have a public prayer prior to their meal.

As for having more spirituality than me, I don't doubt that at all, as I am mostly an intellectual person; I like cold, hard empiricism, facts and physical phenomena.

Are you sure you like it COLD and hard?
 
The whole public prayer thing really is obnoxious. I'm not suggesting they should not be able to do it or anything, but it's odd why so many people feel the need for validation of their faith. As if it's only the way, the truth and the light if others agree.

This is why I hate it when some people say that gays (or other groups) are "shoving their lifestyle in my face".

The only people I know who shove their lifestyle in my face are certain sects of Christianity who have to pray in public, buy billboards telling everyone else they're going to hell, and put bumper stickers on their car about how much they love Jesus.

In my life, the people who shout the loudest about how good they are at something are usually not the best at it at all.

Why do you think monks and nuns frequently take vows of silence? I'm sure they're much more spiritual and Christ-like than the person with their "Abortion Stops a Beating Heart" and "God Made Adam and Eve Not Adam and Steve" bumper stickers. I KNOW they're a lot more Christ-like than the person who paid for all the "Hell is Real" and 10 Commandments billboards in Kentucky.

Pray, now, damn you! Pray!

Not once in my life has a Jew or a Gay knocked on my door to convince me to live their "lifestyle". I wish everyone would do the same.
 
Not once in my life has a Jew or a Gay knocked on my door to convince me to live their "lifestyle". .

Well, if you do, be advised -- their literature is VERY different from one another.
 
a government-imposed ban on public prayer during their meals.

Then don't ask for government food.

Why is the OPTION for private prayer some form of imposition or unconstitutional?
 
I believe congressional houses have chaplains....but I am all for prayer there, in the off chance that one of them might be influenced by the prayer and remember to represent the people and not the lobbiests...
 
I believe congressional houses have chaplains....but I am all for prayer there, in the off chance that one of them might be influenced by the prayer and remember to represent the people and not the lobbiests...

Never happen.:(
 
On the one hand I think it goes little too far, but on the other I don't understand why they needs to be led in a prayer in the first place. If someone wants to pray before they eat they should just do it.
Being Catholic I might be able to add a little perspective, not knowing the religious breakdown I'll stab in the dark here.

Christian prayer, especially Catholic prayer is very social, I can remember my aunts taking long retreats at great personal sacrifice to reflect on the nature of what we believe, to this day anytime I visit them early morning they have a televised prayer program with the Rosary going on. It's not about anything more than the vibe of being in communion with your fellows in worship and it is very meaningful to those of us who believe.
 
What about religious tolerance towards atheists? Why do religious people hate atheists? If they hate them then they should be glad that atheists are going to hell, right?

Respecting Nonreligious People | Teaching Tolerance Just imagine.
Huh? I don't hate atheists.:confused: I don't respect atheists in certain groups that decide to attack other people's intelligence for believing, but there are plenty of athiests I respect in fact some of them are here on this site.
 
Huh? I don't hate atheists.:confused: I don't respect atheists in certain groups that decide to attack other people's intelligence for believing, but there are plenty of athiests I respect in fact some of them are here on this site.

You are right I should have put the word "some" in front of my remark.

There, fixed it.
 
What about religious tolerance towards atheists? Why do religious people hate atheists? If they hate them then they should be glad that atheists are going to hell, right?

Respecting Nonreligious People | Teaching Tolerance Just imagine.

To be honest, there are intolerant people on all sides, of all views.

It's these people who draw the ire of those who hold the views that are receiving intolerance. Unfortunately, there is often over-generalization from some on the receiving end of these injustices, which leads to more intolerance (from them this time) and the cycle continues on and on and on.
 
To be honest, there are intolerant people on all sides, of all views.

It's these people who draw the ire of those who hold the views that are receiving intolerance. Unfortunately, there is often over-generalization from some on the receiving end of these injustices, which leads to more intolerance (from them this time) and the cycle continues on and on and on.

I agree. It's like a nuclear chain reaction.
 
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