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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by 1984 View Post
    Good grief. Are you senile?
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    YOU CLAIMED that 'third parties' contracted by the Federal government were bound by the Constitution. I informed you that only the government is bound by the Constitution.
    the government makes loans and guarantees loans to third parties. when it does so, it stipulates that the borrower must comply with all federal laws, such as AA and EEO. note that the private borrower is not directly bound by the provisions of the Constitution/Bill of Rights but has agreed to be bound as provided by the government as a condition for the loan/guaranty
    would the subsidy to the care facility not bear a similar obligation to be compliant with federal expectations?

    Of course the Constitution "applies to individuals",
    do you want your words in my signature back then?

    BUT only insofar as it restricts what the government may do to them, but that's NOT what you said; you said 'third parties' contracted by the government are bound by the Constitution; that is NOT true; the Constitution does not place restrictions on private parties, only government.
    the federal government is not able to bypass its Constitutional obligations by funding third party activities that violate the Constitution/Bill of Rights. that would be a transparent circumvention of the Constitutional provisions

    They were FORCED to sit through a prayer, really!? You mean to say that Senior Citizens Inc. kidnapped these old people from their homes and chained them to a chair whilst a group prayer was said?
    nope. a prayer was invoked before the group simultaneous with the seating for the meal. that public prayer constituted a preference for a particular religion at that federally subsidized meal. such preference defies the provisions of the first amendment

    That's funny, since no one materially involved with this subsidy actually agrees with your position.

    Not Senior Citizens Inc., not the Port Wentworth municipal government, not the Georgia state government, and not the Federal government.

    It's almost like you have some information that no one else in the United States of America is privy to; would you care to share this information with the rest of us? I'm dying to see what it is.
    i am responding to the original article
    do you know that the care facility has not agreed to amend its invocation such that it is no longer out of federal compliance? when i managed a federal portfolio of clients who benefitted from federal funds, when they were found to be out of compliance we revised the manner in which they operated to assure compliance. and if they were unable or unwilling, then they were made to return the federal funds
    tell me what your experience has been
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

    What I see here is a clear violation of the 1st Amendment of the United States Consitution.

    Those who told people they were not allowed to pray need to be fired and thier employer needs to be paying out their corrupt ass for it.

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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Isn't this going just a bit too far?


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    It's exactly what they did in the USSR. Next they'll be closing churches.

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    Never put your parents in a senior's home. It's hell.
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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    thanks for the quote. it appears you fail to recognize that the Constitution establishes the limits of government intrusion on the freedoms/rights of the individual
    Erm, yeah... in other words, it applies to the government. Not individuals.

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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Erm, yeah... in other words, it applies to the government. Not individuals.
    the Bill of Rights speaks only to the powers of the government and not to the freedoms of the citizen? are you certain you have a copy of the Constitution of the USA?
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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    the Bill of Rights speaks only to the powers of the government and not to the freedoms of the citizen? are you certain you have a copy of the Constitution of the USA?
    Yes, I'm certain. It does not apply to individuals. It applies to the government, and what they can't do to individuals. The rules are set out for the government. Not individuals. I suggest you remove that quote from your sig now before it makes you look silly.

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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Yes, I'm certain. It does not apply to individuals. It applies to the government, and what they can't do to individuals. The rules are set out for the government. Not individuals. I suggest you remove that quote from your sig now before it makes you look silly.
    here you go. it's obvious you need a decent cite: U.S. Constitution | LII / Legal Information Institute
    now let's examine the first 10 Amendments of the Bill of Rights to recognize to what extent the rights of the individual were addressed ... wonder where they came up with the title Bill of Rights. extra points if you can figure it out:
    Amendment I
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

    Amendment II
    A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

    Amendment III
    No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

    Amendment IV
    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    Amendment V
    No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

    Amendment VI
    In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

    Amendment VII
    In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

    Amendment VIII
    Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

    Amendment IX
    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

    Amendment X
    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
    look at all that red, illustrating the many instances in which the individual citizen is accorded rights, which are not to be gieven over to the government
    i think i shall retain the embarrassing, quoted post, as i was granted authority to use it in my signature line
    from your post, quoted above, you are the one now made to also look quite foolish
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

    You just sank your own argument....Here:


    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof....

    I highlighted the relevant portion in red to make it easier for you to follow along.


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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You just sank your own argument....Here:





    I highlighted the relevant portion in red to make it easier for you to follow along.


    j-mac
    Yeah but you ignored the part that you did not agree with.

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