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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    I was asking for a supreme court decision link regarding this matter. Until then
    Yes, until you and the rest of the anti-religionists actually provide a sound legal rationale for prohibiting group prayer during these meals, they will continue to pray loudly and proudly while you impotently whine and cringe on the sidelines.

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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by 1984 View Post
    Yes, until you and the rest of the anti-religionists actually provide a sound legal rationale for prohibiting group prayer during these meals, they will continue to pray loudly and proudly while you impotently whine and cringe on the sidelines.

    Have a nice day!

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    Actually I am not anti-religion but I am anti-organized religion.

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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    Actually I am not anti-religion but I am anti-organized religion.
    Whatever.

    Keep praying old folks! You have the green light!

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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by 1984 View Post
    You show an astounding ignorance of the law.
    back at you

    1. The Constitution does not apply to individuals, only government.
    thanks for the quote. it appears you fail to recognize that the Constitution establishes the limits of government intrusion on the freedoms/rights of the individual

    2. Assuming it did apply to individuals, what specific "provision" of the Constitution would a voluntary group prayer violate?
    first of all, this was NOT a voluntary group prayer. the guests gathered for a federally subsidized meal. a led prayer was imposed on them, like it or not. had this been a church gathering, where the purpose of the assembly was prayer, THEN that would have been voluntary - and the gathering would have been ineligible for any federal subsidy of their meal expense
    the provision of the Constitution you were seeking to know, the one which is violated by the government funding of an activity where a led prayer is pronounced before a group who gathered for a purpose other than voluntary prayer with be found at the Bill of Rights, Amendment 1. here it is in truncated form:
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ...
    An absurd distortion of what is actually occurring. Your dishonesty knows no bounds.
    no distortion was presented which you have been able to identify. free exercise of religion was not present at that subsidized meal; a preference was provided to the religion of the party who spoke the religious invocation. that a moment of silence being available for those who chose to engage in a prayer of their choice, is unacceptable and that a led prayer is required is evidence of a religious agenda. one which the government has an obligation not to subsidize
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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    back at you


    thanks for the quote. it appears you fail to recognize that the Constitution establishes the limits of government intrusion on the freedoms/rights of the individual
    Exactly. Limits on government, not individuals, which is what you said. It helps if you actually remember the context of your statements.

    first of all, this was NOT a voluntary group prayer. the guests gathered for a federally subsidized meal. a led prayer was imposed on them, like it or not. had this been a church gathering, where the purpose of the assembly was prayer, THEN that would have been voluntary - and the gathering would have been ineligible for any federal subsidy of their meal expense
    the provision of the Constitution you were seeking to know, the one which is violated by the government funding of an activity where a led prayer is pronounced before a group who gathered for a purpose other than voluntary prayer with be found at the Bill of Rights, Amendment 1. here it is in truncated form:
    It WAS a voluntary group prayer. I defy you to provide evidence that anyone was FORCED to pray.

    no distortion was presented which you have been able to identify. free exercise of religion was not present at that subsidized meal; a preference was provided to the religion of the party who spoke the religious invocation. that a moment of silence being available for those who chose to engage in a prayer of their choice, is unacceptable and that a led prayer is required is evidence of a religious agenda. one which the government has an obligation not to subsidize
    The guests were free to pray or not to pray. Them's the facts, so deal with it.

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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by 1984 View Post
    Exactly. Limits on government, not individuals, which is what you said. It helps if you actually remember the context of your statements.
    delighted not only to teach you something but it appears you now recognize how silly your statement is, which absurdity is now found in my signature

    It WAS a voluntary group prayer. I defy you to provide evidence that anyone was FORCED to pray.
    the fact is, they had NO choice. a led prayer, of a specific religious persuasion, was invoked at a federally subsidized meal

    The guests were free to pray or not to pray. Them's the facts, so deal with it.
    the guests were FORCED to sit thru a prayer not necessarily of their choosing, conferring a preference on one religion. the government cannot permit that when it is subsidizing that gathering which has now become a prayer meeting
    that is the fact

    if the federal subsidy is not desired, then the facility can conduct prayer in whatever manner it would choose
    that is another fact
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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    delighted not only to teach you something but it appears you now recognize how silly your statement is, which absurdity is now found in my signature
    Good grief. Are you senile?

    YOU CLAIMED that 'third parties' contracted by the Federal government were bound by the Constitution. I informed you that only the government is bound by the Constitution.

    Of course the Constitution "applies to individuals", BUT only insofar as it restricts what the government may do to them, but that's NOT what you said; you said 'third parties' contracted by the government are bound by the Constitution; that is NOT true; the Constitution does not place restrictions on private parties, only government.

    the fact is, they had NO choice. a led prayer, of a specific religious persuasion, was invoked at a federally subsidized meal

    the guests were FORCED to sit thru a prayer not necessarily of their choosing, conferring a preference on one religion. the government cannot permit that when it is subsidizing that gathering which has now become a prayer meeting
    that is the fact
    They were FORCED to sit through a prayer, really!? You mean to say that Senior Citizens Inc. kidnapped these old people from their homes and chained them to a chair whilst a group prayer was said?

    if the federal subsidy is not desired, then the facility can conduct prayer in whatever manner it would choose
    that is another fact
    That's funny, since no one materially involved with this subsidy actually agrees with your position.

    Not Senior Citizens Inc., not the Port Wentworth municipal government, not the Georgia state government, and not the Federal government.

    It's almost like you have some information that no one else in the United States of America is privy to; would you care to share this information with the rest of us? I'm dying to see what it is.

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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by 1984 View Post
    Good grief. Are you senile?

    YOU CLAIMED that 'third parties' contracted by the Federal government were bound by the Constitution. I informed you that only the government is bound by the Constitution.

    Of course the Constitution "applies to individuals", BUT only insofar as it restricts what the government may do to them, but that's NOT what you said; you said 'third parties' contracted by the government are bound by the Constitution; that is NOT true; the Constitution does not place restrictions on private parties, only government.



    They were FORCED to sit through a prayer, really!? You mean to say that Senior Citizens Inc. kidnapped these old people from their homes and chained them to a chair whilst a group prayer was said?



    That's funny, since no one materially involved with this subsidy actually agrees with your position.

    Not Senior Citizens Inc., not the Port Wentworth municipal government, not the Georgia state government, and not the Federal government.

    It's almost like you have some information that no one else in the United States of America is privy to; would you care to share this information with the rest of us? I'm dying to see what it is.
    Asking someone if they are senile is not very christian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    Asking someone if they are senile is not very christian.
    Good thing I'm not a Christian.

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