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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

    Unless freedom FROM religion exists on an EQUAL footing, there is NO freedom OF religion .

    You can't have it both ways.

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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by The Uncola View Post
    Unless freedom FROM religion exists on an EQUAL footing, there is NO freedom OF religion .

    You can't have it both ways.
    Actually, I think it HAS to be both ways! We need both equally.
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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by The Uncola View Post
    Unless freedom FROM religion exists on an EQUAL footing, there is NO freedom OF religion .

    You can't have it both ways.

    that is nonsense, pure and simple. Where are you forced to participate in religion that you don't wish to?


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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    that is nonsense, pure and simple. Where are you forced to participate in religion that you don't wish to?


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    At a Sr. Citizens center in GA. if one decides to have dinner there.

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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

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    At a Sr. Citizens center in GA. if one decides to have dinner there.

    Not true, is it possible that any person wishing to receive their dinner and come in after the prayer is told that they can't do so? If so, show me where.


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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    So you have no objection to the federal government paying for a priest then ??? What about when Obama says "God Bless America" at the end of a speech?? Is he forcing everyone listening to hear his brief "prayer"? What about when Congress opens a session with a prayer?? Should that be illegal??

    The people in the home do have the option to hear or participate in the prayer. If they are so offended, as many on here think, they simply should wait until after the prayer is finished before coming into the dining hall. Is that too much an imposition ???
    I have no objection to official chaplains as long as their not allowed to proselytize to those who don't ask for it. God Bless America isn't a prayer. I actually believe that Congress shouldn't have a prayer, but I'm not in Congress, so I don't really care.

    Is it too much of an imposition for people to pray to themselves given the time of silence?

    Why the need to make everyone say the same prayer? What is the need to make everyone believe the same thing? How do you not see forcing people to say a prayer an imposition? Granted, you can just avoid it and that's fine. But how is saying, "Let's have a moment of silence" more of an imposition than "Let's all say the Lord's Prayer"?

    Can you not see one as more forceful than the other?

    What is the need to force one interpretation of one religion upon everyone around you? (And that's the universal "you", not the personal "you").

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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I guess you've never been the person sitting there uncomfortably while other people assume you are one of the group and subject you to a religious service you didn't sign up for. I lived in Utah as a Southern Baptist, and experienced it all the time, which is what largely influenced my views on the subject.

    A few thoughts:

    First, public prayers for the sake of being public about them are expressly forbidden, BY CHRIST, in the New Testament.
    I don't think the old people are doing it for the sake of being in the public.

    Plus, didn't Christ have a Sermon on the Mount?

    Second, what is the goal of such conduct, if it is not rewarded by God? Generally speaking, it is done because the believers are so inconsiderate that they feel they must subject other people to their practices.
    The goal is to praise and thank God. Did somebody in the place object that you know of? If not, how do you speak as if you know what was said and what is in the heart's of all those people in the room?

    Third, what does such behavior do for the cause of Christ? Be specific. What is this sort of public prayer designed to accomplish, in your opinion? I'd really like to know.
    Well, Christ said to praise God on a daily basis and as often as possible. So I think it serves the "cause" of Christ quite well. Christ said to pray in your closet and to spread his word to the world. This particular prayer is strictly for the people of the old people home.

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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Not true, is it possible that any person wishing to receive their dinner and come in after the prayer is told that they can't do so? If so, show me where.


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    Not saying that happens at this particular center, but when I worked in Indianapolis, I worked with a Jewish man who was removed from the Wheeler Mission (one of very few homeless shelters in downtown) because he asked not to pray to Jesus.

    Now, Wheeler was completely privately funded, so as much as I hated it, it's their right. But if they'd received federal funds, I would've turned them in right away.

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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Not saying that happens at this particular center, but when I worked in Indianapolis, I worked with a Jewish man who was removed from the Wheeler Mission (one of very few homeless shelters in downtown) because he asked not to pray to Jesus.

    Now, Wheeler was completely privately funded, so as much as I hated it, it's their right. But if they'd received federal funds, I would've turned them in right away.

    I don't think that privately funded homeless shelters are the same as nursing facilities. However, when that person was removed what was his reaction? Did he want to stay? Why is it up to you to right the wrong of someone else that is capable of speaking for themselves?


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