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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Uhh... no, that's not what I said at all. I said people are forced to sit there and listen to their nonsense. No one can force anyone to pray, just like no one can STOP anyone from praying.

    Ok, so who in the group was forced to sit there? Can you point to one? Or was this a case of some misinterpreted, over zealous liberal government reading of separations clause, that you now make up out of whole cloth something that didn't occur?


    LMFAO You really think no one would stop me? You're ****ing insane if you do. You're also ****ing insane if you think they'd taken it to the Mayor if I had been told to stop my pre-dinner summon Lucifer rituals as a group.

    Hey, I am all for the individual making themselves out to be a complete JackAss in public. It is good entertainment. Go for it.


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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    I thought liberals were happy that the federal government provides for those in need ???
    I'm being ironic today.

    But if you're going to take things from the government, it comes with rules.

    No one told them they couldn't say their own prayers. The center itself couldn't force them to pray together.

    I see no problem with that. Indeed, if they were still saying a center-led prayer, then that would be the government forcing them to pray.

    I thought conservatives didn't like government forcing people to do things.

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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHat View Post
    Ok, for a 3rd time, lets see what the state told them over the years:



    What does that sound like to you? An endorsement to pray?
    Are you under the mistaken impression that the only way one can pray is in a group setting, verbally? ****ing seriously?


    Well of course they wouldn't, b/c your sole purpose for doing so would be to create mischief, for the sole purpose of instigating or irritating others. In this case, a bunch of old people who aren't out to insult others, but simply say a prayer over their meal.
    My reasons are my own, and no one elses business.

    I find it more amazing you feel threatened by their prayer, when your not even in the same freaking state they are. Are you Muslim? Are you a devil worshipper? If not, then why would you bother with a prayer in Islam or in satanic verses? Pretty ridiculous if you think about it.
    How would I be threatened? And threatened by what? And in what way? And what does that mean, anyway?

    And why would I need to be actually personally affected by something in order to have a ****ing opinion on it ? Are you so short-sighted that you only care about things that directly affect you?

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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    I'm being ironic today.

    But if you're going to take things from the government, it comes with rules.

    No one told them they couldn't say their own prayers. The center itself couldn't force them to pray together.

    I see no problem with that. Indeed, if they were still saying a center-led prayer, then that would be the government forcing them to pray.

    I thought conservatives didn't like government forcing people to do things.
    Who's forcing anyone to do anything ??

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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    What if you had to listen to it daily in order to eat? Why does their right to protestlytize outweigh your right to eat your meal in peace?
    Do you know of one single person in the home that objected to the prayer ???

    No, didn't think so.

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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHat View Post
    Really? Can you please show us, where they were "made" to sit through a 5 second prayer?
    If they actually wanted to eat their meal, they're all forced to sit through some nonsense.

    And why is this "nonsense"?
    Because it IS.

    It's not "nonsense" to them. They find it pretty important obviously.
    yes, yes I know. Some people need their little imaginary friends, I suppose. The fact that THEY don't consider it nonsense doesn't change the fact that it IS. My nephew doesn't think Santa is nonsense either.

    Why do you feel threatened about their prayer that you weren't even a part of?
    Please do explain *precisely* how one can possibly feel threatened by someone else talking to imaginary friends. I'm eagerly awaiting the logic behind this constant, repetitive mantra of yours.

    Of course they would. Your doing it simply to stick a thumb in their eyes. You would be considered an instigator for the sole purpose of irritating others, which by and large, would get you kicked out of just about any venue.
    I guess they could try and PROVE that. Would be hard though, considering it's impossible to read someone's mind.



    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, so who in the group was forced to sit there? Can you point to one?
    Every single person who wanted to eat their food.

    Or was this a case of some misinterpreted, over zealous liberal government reading of separations clause, that you now make up out of whole cloth something that didn't occur?
    A state run, or funded institution should not have staff leading people in prayer. Period. Same as in schools.

    As long as the staff isn't leading people in prayer, I don't give a flying **** about it.
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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Who's forcing anyone to do anything ??
    If it's a group prayer, then you're forced to listen to it if you're there.

    So, if you've got a problem with the government delivering food, I've got a problem with the government or a federally supported center delivering Jesus.

    It's not their job.

    If you take government money, then you can't deliver Jesus. If you use only private donated funds, make people pray to Jesus all you like.

    Look, I used to work for a Presbyterian college. I, myself, was not Presbyterian. I go to the Episcopal Church when I choose to. Because the school gave out federal assistance, they couldn't force professors or students to attend chapel. Down the road was a Baptists school that took no federal dollars. If you didn't attend chapel without good reason you were fired or suspended.

    I'm fine with both. Once you take government assistance, the rules change. Accept it or don't accept federal assistance.

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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Do you know of one single person in the home that objected to the prayer ???

    No, didn't think so.
    It's necessary for someone to publicly object for a practice to be unconstitutional? Your reasoning is flawed, padawan.

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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    It's necessary for someone to publicly object for a practice to be unconstitutional? Your reasoning is flawed, padawan.
    Hardly flawed - if no one complains, it can never get to be found unconstitutional as it would never be put in front of a judge. You're "belief" and "opinion" nonwithstanding.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Do you know of one single person in the home that objected to the prayer ???

    No, didn't think so.
    now there is a civil standard to apply
    if the elderly are intimidated enough not to object then the evangelists should be able to continue to feed their religious propaganda to this crowd
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