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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

    If I was there I would pray for an Uma Thurman wet dream in the back seat of a 57 Chevy.

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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

    This whole "separation of church and state" thing has been thoroughly misinterpreted and misapplied by the anti-religionists (and I say this as an agnostic).

    1. It's not actually codified in the US Constitution. It's just a personal sentiment held by Thomas Jefferson.

    2. The "separation of church and state" was never meant to be an outright ban on religious activities occurring within Federal purview; it's simply a ban on the state-endorsement of religion. A group-prayer held during a Federally-funded dinner is NOT a state-endorsement of religion.

    This is absurd. The old folks should be able to have a group prayer if they like. No one is forcing anyone to participate in the prayer, and the fact that said prayer is occurring under the auspices of Federal funding does not mean it's a state-endorsement of religion, which is what the First Amendment forbids.

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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    There is a difference between sharing the gospel and forcing other people to sit through your public prayer. Are Christians so insecure in their beliefs that they can only persevere when they have the weight of the government behind them?
    Are you so insecure that you can't withstand a minute of public prayer?

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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    No one is prohibiting them from praying.
    They're prohibiting them from praying aloud and in unison, hence, it is a prohibition on the free exercise of religion.

    It's a moment of silence and people can do whatever they want with that moment.
    Why should they HAVE to remain silent? Why can the Federal government forbid them from praying aloud and in unison before their meal?

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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by 1984 View Post
    Are you so insecure that you can't withstand a minute of public prayer?
    take the public welfare away from that care facility and its management can authorize any form of prayer it chooses
    keep the federal subsidy and remain subject to first amendment provisions:
    Amendment I
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
    the government should not be placed in the position of subsidizing this public prayer
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    take the public welfare away from that care facility and its management can authorize any form of prayer it chooses
    keep the federal subsidy and remain subject to first amendment provisions:

    the government should not be placed in the position of subsidizing this public prayer
    Once again, you demonstrate your inability to properly read and interpret the law.

    The relevant portion of the First Amendment reads: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..."

    Since that's NOT what happened here, your reference to the First Amendment is without merit.

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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by 1984 View Post
    Are you so insecure that you can't withstand a minute of public prayer?

    Are you so unaware of Jesus' actual teachings that you think a public spectacle is necessary in order to pray?
    "you're better off on Stormfront discussing how evil brown men are taking innocent white flowers." Infinite Chaos

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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by 1984 View Post
    Once again, you demonstrate your inability to properly read and interpret the law.

    The relevant portion of the First Amendment reads: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..."

    Since that's NOT what happened here, your reference to the First Amendment is without merit.
    and you would have us believe that a lead prayer, said before a publicly subsidized meal, conveys no particular religious view
    you oppose allowing each guest to instead pray for themselves ... as is now the protocol, recognizing the public prayer violated the Bill of Rights
    appears you are the one without an understanding of the law
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by 1984 View Post
    They're prohibiting them from praying aloud and in unison, hence, it is a prohibition on the free exercise of religion.



    Why should they HAVE to remain silent? Why can the Federal government forbid them from praying aloud and in unison before their meal?
    So it's illegal for one of them to standup, say "hey everyone that want's to pray come over here to this table and pray with us" at which point they can pray aloud and in unison?

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    Re: Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Are you so unaware of Jesus' actual teachings that you think a public spectacle is necessary in order to pray?
    I could care less about Jesus' view on prayer. I'm just not bothered by a group of old people praying aloud for twenty seconds.

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    and you would have us believe that a lead prayer, said before a publicly subsidized meal, conveys no particular religious view
    Whatever religious view is being conveyed, it is not being conveyed by the Federal government, and, more specifically, the Congress, which is what the First Amendment says. Let's read it again, shall we?

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion...

    Since that's NOT what happened here, I guess we can safely ignore your references to the First Amendment.

    you oppose allowing each guest to instead pray for themselves...
    Nope. Each person can do what they want, as far as I'm concerned.

    ...as is now the protocol, recognizing the public prayer violated the Bill of Rights
    appears you are the one without an understanding of the law
    It doesn't violate the Bill of Rights. The First Amendment says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..."

    That didn't happen, so stop saying that it did.

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    So it's illegal for one of them to standup, say "hey everyone that want's to pray come over here to this table and pray with us" at which point they can pray aloud and in unison?
    Huh!? That's the opposite of what I'm saying.

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