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    Re: AP source: Obama chooses Kagan for Supreme Court

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    How are they activists? Which decisions make them activists?
    Alito and Roberts had a history that preceded their appointment to the court.
    They routinely rule in favor of the state when the decision involves the state vs. the individual. They routinely rule in favor of the corporation when the decision involves an individual vs. corporation.

    One perfect example is their positions on the fairly recent decision that Corporations are "persons" under the Constitution. Talk about stretching that "strict constructionism"...
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    Re: AP source: Obama chooses Kagan for Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    That might be true, except for the fact that GWB tilted the court to the hard right by appointing right-wing activist judges (Roberts and Alito). We need to restore balance to the court. Kagan doesn't restore that balance. We need a true liberal.
    I see, so two wrongs make a right (or a left)? what has been done has been done. Are you wanting to appoint someone to rule based on their ideology just to cancel out others? If presidents appointed people to "keep a balance" then we would never see an end to it. Someone has to start, and it should be now and through Obama's nomination. If he appoints a liberal to make the court more liberal, then he is just as bad (if not worse) than GWB with appointing conservatives.

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    Re: AP source: Obama chooses Kagan for Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I see, so two wrongs make a right (or a left)? what has been done has been done. Are you wanting to appoint someone to rule based on their ideology just to cancel out others? If presidents appointed people to "keep a balance" then we would never see an end to it. Someone has to start, and it should be now and through Obama's nomination. If he appoints a liberal to make the court more liberal, then he is just as bad (if not worse) than GWB with appointing conservatives.

    Its not that simplistic.

    Dating back to O'Connor I have supported pretty much every nominee because they were fairly centrist (which is personally what I think Supreme Court Judges should be).

    I didn't support Bork because he was completely off the radar.

    However, that really changed during GWB's terms in which he made it a point (publicly) to appoint right-wing judges that would shift the focus of the court.
    That is why I think we need a true liberal.

    Any other day....I would be fine with Sotomayor or Kagan. However because of the Alito and Roberts appointments, we need balance on the court that Sotomayor doesn't bring and neither will Kagan.
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    Re: AP source: Obama chooses Kagan for Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Its not that simplistic.

    Dating back to O'Connor I have supported pretty much every nominee because they were fairly centrist (which is personally what I think Supreme Court Judges should be).

    I didn't support Bork because he was completely off the radar.

    However, that really changed during GWB's terms in which he made it a point (publicly) to appoint right-wing judges that would shift the focus of the court.
    That is why I think we need a true liberal.

    Any other day....I would be fine with Sotomayor or Kagan. However because of the Alito and Roberts appointments, we need balance on the court that Sotomayor doesn't bring and neither will Kagan.
    So then we will have liberals left when the conservatives retire, so then in your opinion should we appoint conservative judges to keep the balance? The court doesn't need to be balanced, it needs to be lawful. If a liberal or conservative can judge objectively and according to the law then I have no problem with them being on the court. However, it's when they legislate from the bench is when I have a problem.

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    Re: AP source: Obama chooses Kagan for Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    So then we will have liberals left when the conservatives retire, so then in your opinion should we appoint conservative judges to keep the balance? The court doesn't need to be balanced, it needs to be lawful. If a liberal or conservative can judge objectively and according to the law then I have no problem with them being on the court. However, it's when they legislate from the bench is when I have a problem.
    It depends. I have supported conservative nominees when I felt the court was out of balance.

    The bottom line is this: The Supreme Court should not be left or right. That said....whenever the court is out of balance, then that balance needs to be restored.
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    Re: AP source: Obama chooses Kagan for Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    It depends. I have supported conservative nominees when I felt the court was out of balance.

    The bottom line is this: The Supreme Court should not be left or right. That said....whenever the court is out of balance, then that balance needs to be restored.
    But wouldn't the balance be restored by appointing a logical and objective nominee that doesn't legislate from the bench? Ultimately their ruling would be in favor of what is lawful, wouldn't that be better then having a liberal vote against or for anything that is convenient for the liberal ideology? A liberal is retiring, so appointing another liberal just keeps the court the same. I don't mind a liberal being appointed so long as they out their liberalism on the shelf and make rulings apart from their ideology and according to what the law and Constitution say.

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    Re: AP source: Obama chooses Kagan for Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I don't mind a liberal being appointed so long as they out their liberalism on the shelf and make rulings apart from their ideology and according to what the law and Constitution say.
    I agree with this 100%...and I would say the same for a Conservative justice as well. That is all we can really hope for.
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    Re: AP source: Obama chooses Kagan for Supreme Court

    one word: Rehnquist

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: AP source: Obama chooses Kagan for Supreme Court

    I love all these far righties who think they're now experts on SCOTUS history and qualifications because they can repeat the talking points of the hour from Fox or talk radio.

    • 1981 Princeton University, summa cum laude
    • editorial chair of the Daily Princetonian.
    • received Princeton's Daniel M. Sachs Memorial Scholarship, one of the highest general awards conferred by the university
    • earned an M.Phil degree from Oxford University
    • magna cum laude, from Harvard Law School
    • Supervisory Editor of the Harvard Law Review.


    Law clerk for Judge Abner Mikva of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit and for Justice Thurgood Marshall of the U.S. Supreme Court.

    Dean of Harvard Law School and Charles Hamilton Houston Professor of Law at Harvard University.
    Professor of law at the University of Chicago Law School.

    Anybody who really thinks she is not qualified to be nominated and given strong consideration is an idiot--or lives in some backwoods pocket of this country that doesn't understand what things like Harvard Law School mean in the real world.

    Lack of intellectual rigor and sub-par credentials are what made Harriet Miers a total joke of a nomination.

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    Re: AP source: Obama chooses Kagan for Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    I love all these far righties who think they're now experts on SCOTUS history and qualifications because they can repeat the talking points of the hour from Fox or talk radio.

    • 1981 Princeton University, summa cum laude
    • editorial chair of the Daily Princetonian.
    • received Princeton's Daniel M. Sachs Memorial Scholarship, one of the highest general awards conferred by the university
    • earned an M.Phil degree from Oxford University
    • magna cum laude, from Harvard Law School
    • Supervisory Editor of the Harvard Law Review.


    Law clerk for Judge Abner Mikva of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit and for Justice Thurgood Marshall of the U.S. Supreme Court.

    Dean of Harvard Law School and Charles Hamilton Houston Professor of Law at Harvard University.
    Professor of law at the University of Chicago Law School.

    Anybody who really thinks she is not qualified to be nominated and given strong consideration is an idiot--or lives in some backwoods pocket of this country that doesn't understand what things like Harvard Law School mean in the real world.

    Lack of intellectual rigor and sub-par credentials are what made Harriet Miers a total joke of a nomination.




    It's the name calling and the insults that make your posts seem so intelligent and insightful.
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