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    Re: AP source: Obama chooses Kagan for Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Funny, I haven't seen amnesty for illegals, abortion, bailouts, and the kind of federal power you seek ANYWHERE in the Constitution. I must not have one of your proposed "living documents".
    Funny....its not really the "liberals" who supported the bailouts which originated with GWB.

    Amnesty for illegals? Again...not really a "liberal" concept. There are many big corporate supporters that want to continue to profit off the cheap labor that are preventing any real immigration reform in this country.

    As far as abortion and other privacy interests, there is plenty of precedent in the Constitution to support an individuals right to be free of big government intervention into the most intimate aspects of their lives.

    Perhaps you cannot see things because you are so blinded by trying to justify your own idealogies.
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    Re: AP source: Obama chooses Kagan for Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    If the USC is a living document, subject to the whims of current society, it is a useless document and should be trashed.
    Why can't it be modified?
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    Re: AP source: Obama chooses Kagan for Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    She is right, there isn't one for hetero-sexual marriage either though....



    Obama could have picked far worse I am beginning to concede.
    Yes, he could have picked worse, but he could have picked far better.
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    Re: AP source: Obama chooses Kagan for Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    The fact is, countries and insitutions that fail to adapt to changing times, ultimately falls. It's like if we still followed the bible to the word, we'd still be stoning eachother to death before or after the superbowl. Now I don't know exactly how the constitution of the United States can be changed or applied to our current times (Unlike most people I don't claim to be a constitutional scholar ) but I think throughout your history with the amendments to the constitution, who fought against those changes then? I wonder what would have really happened, had all these political websites existed when they were gonna abolish slavery. I wonder how many people in this forum would argue against emancipation (Not saying you support slavery Erod, so don't even say that, I'm just making a point about overall population opinion and the internet)
    My point is, you can adapt to the changes of society without compromising your principles, or in this discussion, the structure of the Consitution. It isn't written in a way that doesn't adapt.

    I believe in correcting our laws and ways to reflect the tenets of the Constitution. It's written perfectly, but we need to FOLLOW it.

    Minimizing states rights, banning guns, limiting free speech, attacking Christianity or other religions.....that isn't adapting. That's trying to create an entirely different country. If anything, that's resorting to what we fought to free ourselves from.

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    Re: AP source: Obama chooses Kagan for Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Funny....its not really the "liberals" who supported the bailouts which originated with GWB.

    Bush was on his own on that one.

    Amnesty for illegals? Again...not really a "liberal" concept. There are many big corporate supporters that want to continue to profit off the cheap labor that are preventing any real immigration reform in this country.

    It is a liberal concept designed to create a voting base in areas where liberals don't currently have one.

    As far as abortion and other privacy interests, there is plenty of precedent in the Constitution to support an individuals right to be free of big government intervention into the most intimate aspects of their lives.

    So long as you continue to ignore the rights of the baby.

    Perhaps you cannot see things because you are so blinded by trying to justify your own idealogies.

    My "ideologies" are based in simple common sense without stretching bastardized arguments into an unrecognizable form.
    Ideology based in constitutionalism.

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    Re: AP source: Obama chooses Kagan for Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    My point is, you can adapt to the changes of society without compromising your principles, or in this discussion, the structure of the Consitution. It isn't written in a way that doesn't adapt.

    I believe in correcting our laws and ways to reflect the tenets of the Constitution. It's written perfectly, but we need to FOLLOW it.

    Minimizing states rights, banning guns, limiting free speech, attacking Christianity or other religions.....that isn't adapting. That's trying to create an entirely different country. If anything, that's resorting to what we fought to free ourselves from.
    I agree with you for sure, there are many provisions in the constitution that should be preserved, but only if its in the national interest, I mean, sure every state that requires it's own special needs in terms of laws and provisions, should be allowed to do so, considering you have such a large country, it only makes sense that different states require different laws for its different circumstances.

    However, I can't say much, because of my lack of knowledge on certain things, I'm not aware of any limiting of free speech, but what I will say about the assault on christianity and other religions, is what do you class that as? I mean, if the ten commandments aren't allowed on public property, owned by government, do you see that as, an assault on christianity? I see it as the government staying true to the constitution keeping church and state seperate, as the founders said they would.

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    Re: AP source: Obama chooses Kagan for Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    My point is, you can adapt to the changes of society without compromising your principles, or in this discussion, the structure of the Consitution. It isn't written in a way that doesn't adapt.

    I believe in correcting our laws and ways to reflect the tenets of the Constitution. It's written perfectly, but we need to FOLLOW it.

    Minimizing states rights, banning guns, limiting free speech, attacking Christianity or other religions.....that isn't adapting. That's trying to create an entirely different country. If anything, that's resorting to what we fought to free ourselves from.
    Banning of guns? Are you referring to limitations on assault weapons and grenade launchers?
    C'mon Erod...lets be intellectually honest here. There is no large scale attempt to ban hunting rifles and handguns.

    Limits on free speech? Like what?

    Attacking Christianity? If by attacking Christianity you are referring to preventitive measures taken to stop the radical right-wing/evangelicals from pursuing their agenda to bring their perverted version of Christianity into the government at the expense of all other religions and religious views...then I guess that's an attack that I would support.
    There is no "attack" on Christianity as far as it pertains to so called "Christians" being able to freely practice their religion in their churches.
    However, these radical groups are not content with that. They want their views forced onto all others via the government.

    No Erod...it is people like you that are trying to recreate our Country into the very thing that the founding fathers and generations behind them fought to prevent.
    America is a free country where you have the freedom to practice your religion and your views, but you are not free to impose your will on everyone else.
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    Re: AP source: Obama chooses Kagan for Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Thats right. And I'm sure whomever Bush picked you were overjoyed.

    Selective memory is a wonderful thing isn't it?
    For the record, I did not have a problem with Roberts at the time. I recognized Bush's right to get a judge from the right, but at least he picked a very qualified justice. Though I am not wild about his ruling making corporations effectively voters (talk about judicial activism), he remains a strong justice. He is heads an shoulders about Thomas and Sotomayor, who, IHMO are judicial light-weights, as well as, IMHO, Alito and Scalia who are just too right wing for my taste

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    Re: AP source: Obama chooses Kagan for Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Yes, he could have picked worse, but he could have picked far better.
    I think this was a wimp choice, from a President that is increasingly showing his colors as a wimp. This Obama supporter is becoming increasingly dissappointed in his lack of leadership. I am increasingly affirming my view that our two party system is the party of wimps and party of fools. Pick your poison.
    Last edited by upsideguy; 05-11-10 at 03:12 PM.

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    Re: AP source: Obama chooses Kagan for Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Why can't it be modified?
    It can be modified through the Amendment process.

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