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    Re: Holder wants new look at Miranda rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Yes that second item is what I take issue with.
    You may take issue with it all you want -- it is still a fact.

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    Re: Holder wants new look at Miranda rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    No, not everyone. There are any number of people that do not enjoy the same protection of their rights under the Constitution as, say, you and I do.
    The U.S. Constitution's protections apply to any person: citizen, resident, or alien. Its privileges (the right to vote and to hold office) are true only of citizens.
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    Re: Holder wants new look at Miranda rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    The U.S. Constitution's protections apply to any person, citizen, resident, or alien.
    Not -all- of those protections, just most. Usually.


    Its privileges (the right to vote and to hold office) are true only of citizens.
    So you agree with me that the Condtituton doesnt cover "everybody", just certain people, depending on the circumstance.

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    Re: Holder wants new look at Miranda rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You may take issue with it all you want -- it is still a fact.
    So is the General Welfare clause but we still get a lot of opinions on that!
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    Re: Holder wants new look at Miranda rights

    Not -all- of those protections, just most. Usually.
    They get all of them. If they seem not to get them, it was because they were non-applicable to the situation, which can happen to citizens as well.

    So you agree with me that the Condtituton doesnt cover "everybody", just certain people, depending on the circumstance.
    It's protections do.
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    Re: Holder wants new look at Miranda rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    They get all of them. If they seem not to get them, it was because they were non-applicable to the situation, which can happen to citizens as well.

    It's protections do.
    POWs may be held w/o being charged and without trial with no definite limit on how long.
    And so, the protections agints same obviously no not apply to -everyone-.
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    Re: Holder wants new look at Miranda rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    So is the General Welfare clause but we still get a lot of opinions on that!
    I'll take that as a concession of the point.

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    Re: Holder wants new look at Miranda rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    POWs may be held w/o being charged and without trial with no definite limit on how long.
    And so, the protections agints same obviously no not apply to -everyone-.
    That's military law, also derived from the U.S. Constitution, but with different standards than those of federal law. Notions of privacy and property are also considerably different, for soldiers and for citizens, when military law is in effect (consider martial law). Foreigners and residents are subject to military law about as often as citizens, and for the same reasons. Besides that, the president can suspend due process irrespective of citizenship, and it is a fully constitutional action.
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    Re: Holder wants new look at Miranda rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    That's military law, also derived from the U.S. Constitution, but with different standards than those of federal law. Notions of privacy and property are also considerably different, for soldiers and for citizens, when military law is in effect (consider martial law).
    And so, as I said, the protection of the constitution do NOT apply to everyone, only certain people in certain situations.

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    Re: Holder wants new look at Miranda rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    And so, as I said, the protection of the constitution do NOT apply to everyone, only certain people in certain situations.
    Yes and no. Constitutional protections are categorical imperatives that are meant to apply to everyone in all times, as an application of the theory that by virtue of the nature of existence everybody possesses natural rights and governments have a duty to uphold these wherever their authority and power are established. However, the manner in which a protection is actuated by a government (or military) is situational. Moreover, the POW example does not apply; they still enjoy the same protections as citizens, it just happens in the case of due process that is very low because the Chief Executive can suspend it.
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