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    Re: Holder wants new look at Miranda rights

    Maybe he can't read. What about those NY schools?
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    Re: Holder wants new look at Miranda rights

    I'm pretty ****ing sick of Eric Holder. It's time Obama replaces him.
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    Re: Holder wants new look at Miranda rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Areopagitican View Post
    Lots of stuff
    Bottom line: Do you accept "innocent until proven guilty" or not?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Holder wants new look at Miranda rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Bottom line: Do you accept "innocent until proven guilty" or not?
    First , that's not in the constitution.
    Second, you need not be proven guilty in a court of law to be held indefinitely.

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    Re: Holder wants new look at Miranda rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    -Public school students do not have the full protection of the 1st amendment
    -POWs may be held indefinitely w/o charges being brought, must less a trial

    This list goes on and on...
    Just to point out, POW's may not actually just be held into oblivion as your statement seems to indicate. (Unless you want to argue there is a perpetual state of declared war) There are strict guidelines on how POW's are to be treated, and what qualifies someone for POW status within the Geneva Conventions.

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    Re: Holder wants new look at Miranda rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    First , that's not in the constitution.
    Second, you need not be proven guilty in a court of law to be held indefinitely.
    I would agree with this in theory, however, for US citizens, regardless of their offense, I think they are entitled to full protection under US law.

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    Re: Holder wants new look at Miranda rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    First , that's not in the constitution.
    Second, you need not be proven guilty in a court of law to be held indefinitely.
    Yes that second item is what I take issue with.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Holder wants new look at Miranda rights

    Quote Originally Posted by NolaMan View Post
    Just to point out, POW's may not actually just be held into oblivion as your statement seems to indicate. (Unless you want to argue there is a perpetual state of declared war).
    They may be held for as long as the war goes on -- which -is- indefnitely, as you do not know when the war will end.
    The war in question need not be declared.
    There are strict guidelines on how POW's are to be treated, and what qualifies someone for POW status within the Geneva Conventions.
    Yes, though irrelevant to the point.

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    Re: Holder wants new look at Miranda rights

    Quote Originally Posted by NolaMan View Post
    I would agree with this in theory, however, for US citizens, regardless of their offense, I think they are entitled to full protection under US law.
    I agree.
    I made the statement as a response to the claim that the Constitutiion covers everyone, period. It does not; Constitutional provisions and protections do very much depend on who you are.

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